Politics in a Post-Apocalyptic World

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Imagine that the S has HTF, and you’re one of the lucky survivors. While many didn’t make it, your “preps” provided the sustenance that made it possible to ride out whatever apocalyptic event occurred. Over time, you’ve acquired many skills for self-sufficiency, and you have no interest in banding together with other survivors. In fact, almost all of the survivors prefer to live as nomadic individuals or isolated families in a post-apocalyptic world. Eventually though, that will change.

The most important rediscovery in a post-apocalyptic world will be fried-chicken. Fried chicken will not only be a catalyst for a post-apocalyptic civilization, it will divide humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1.Liberals
2.Conservatives

Frying chicken requires vegetable oil and flour, which will lead to the reemergence of agriculture. Since there will be no home delivery, those wanting fried chicken will stay close to the source, and that’s how villages will be formed. Some men will spend their days building pens and raising chickens. These men will be known as Conservatives.

Other men will have no agricultural, or chicken raising skills. They will learn to live off of the Conservatives by doing their sewing, hair dressing, and fetching. This will be the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Growing food and surviving off the sweat of your brow is not easy.
Growing food and surviving off the sweat of your brow is not easy.

As time passes, Conservatives will once again become big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, and generally anyone who works productively.

Liberals will not be involved in society until Conservatives have once again tamed the land. In a post-apocalyptic world, Liberals will domesticate cats, and facilitate group therapy. Although they’ll produce little or nothing, Liberals will consider themselves “enlightened”. They’ll prefer to govern the producers, and decide how to divide the fried chicken that the Conservatives provide.

Not all villages will be productive in a post-apocalyptic world. Some people will be content to sit around a campfire, moaning about their bad fortune. “It’s so unfair”, they’ll say, “that some villages have so much, while we have so little.” As luck will have it, Liberals will come to the rescue by redistributing fried chicken, taking from the productive villages and giving to the non-productive ones. To further enhance their image, Liberals will offer free cooking oil and flour to everyone. This will not sit well with members of the productive villages who will be forced to supply those things, but Liberals will counter Conservative arguments by calling them names and correcting their grammar. Liberals will become so popular with those receiving the handouts that little can be done to stop them.

Some people will not be willing to work too hard no matter the situation.
Some people will not be willing to work too hard no matter the situation.

This ends today’s lesson in post-apocalyptic history. It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above. A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more Liberals, just to piss them off.

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The inspiration for this came from a humorous story I read recently concerning the invention of beer, and from my favorite place to go to for fried chicken. I take prepping seriously. I believe that the things I’m doing now may one day save my life, or that of a loved one. I also believe that humor is often the best medicine, and I find that it keeps me going at times when I’m feeling overwhelmed.

I’m grateful for the many contributions to The Prepper Journal from my fellow preppers, and I’ve learned a lot from them, even when I disagree. Hopefully I’ll never have to use my preps as the result of societal collapse, but if it comes to that, I’m not going to have time for the political correctness that has permeated our society today. I’m not going to deal with non-productive people who’ll drag me down. I won’t support those who are able, but choose not to support themselves. I have friends who are skilled at hunting, fishing, building, and fixing things, but I also have friends who can’t do any of those things. I’ve often wondered what kind of childhood they had that so poorly prepared them for life. Were they more concerned with keeping up with the Kardashians?

I’ll support capitalism. I’ll help those who are less fortunate than me, but not to the extent that it puts my own survival at risk. I’ll contribute to charity based on what I think is fair, and not according to what someone else thinks is my fair share. In a post-apocalyptic world, I won’t respect “gun-free” zones, and I certainly won’t listen to those who tell me I should give up my weapons. Call me a bigot if you want, but if I’m suspicious of anyone, for any reason, that person will not be part of my inner-circle. I would rather be wrong, and alive, than right, and dead.

Knowing that my contribution will not reflect to views of everyone, I encourage alternative opinions in the form of respectful comments, or humorous stories.

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bamagrad03
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bamagrad03

I’m pretty sure there are liberals who prep, work in farming or agriculture, and are productive members of society. I’m rather conservative myself, but as much as we conservatives don’t like being generalized or painted into a box, it’s wise to afford others the same grace.

There’s no atheists in foxholes. I doubt there are republicans or democrats either.

BobW
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BobW

Honestly Bama, I don’t really see it. I suppose a few, maybe, but the idea of self-sufficiency is by its very nature, a conservative view point. Maybe a liberal Libertarian, but straight progressive liberal seems unlikely.

On atheism, there are atheists in foxholes. Been there. They may pray, or plead, but honestly, its false faith. They get out of the foxhole, and are once again atheists.

M. "Wyatt" Howell
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M. "Wyatt" Howell

I think people, as part of the human race, inherently know that there is a God. Any person can look around and know that in our Universe, life, and all its beauty is no accident, Sir. No such thing as coincidence. The spark of life comes from a place greater than ourselves.

Once we took God out of schools, and allowed some moron to remove the 10 Commandments, after which, things went downhill rather quickly. There’s no denying the need for morality, nor its origin.

Huples
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Huples

allah in the schools? No thanks mate!

Robert
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Robert

God not the false god of islam!!

John D
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John D

You said: “Once we took God out of schools, and allowed some moron to remove the 10 Commandments, after which, things went downhill rather quickly.” I agree, and I thank you for that. I believe that the biggest threat to the survival of the United States is moral decline. I guess that’s what happens when people make moral judgements based on their own whims, instead of Gods law.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Prisons are like foxholes – virtually no atheists in prison either.

Huples
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Huples

BobW you are respectfully wrong. I am a left left progressive prepper. Prepping is about being mentally ill ( male God going to kick our butts) or seeing the future as a possible bad outcome (celibate change is making parts of the USA uninhabitable and fast). Either way you prep. Has zero to do with politics.
You are respectfully correct about the fox hole conversions lol

BobW
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BobW

Brother, there are exceptions to every rule. You Sir, are clearly one of them. But we like you anyway. I have no idea what you are talking about with this ‘celibate change’ but i want nothing to do with that. Just sayin’. Its not that prepping is to politics in any way. Blue, red, green, independent matters not. Its about mentality. Conservative vs liberal. These are viewpoints on the world, not party affiliations. They tend to one party or another, but that is a 2nd order effect. Politicians use these words to create divisive political positions. If I may be… Read more »

Huples
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Huples

Climate change got autocorrected. Yes I’m kind of big government for somethings and no government for others. However I believe in a minimum national wage, free at source health care, no religion in schools or politics, refunding nasa, stopping all fracking, increasing armed forces wages a lot but slashing nuclear weapons a lot, closing all private schools, and decriminalizing all drugs and having the government make them available via prescription so I’d not be a good fit with any USA political party. I’d ban all new gun sales. All. I’m against hunting and eating meat and dairy. In short I’m… Read more »

Mr. Anderson
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Mr. Anderson

I know Huples seems to be the resident liberal around here but I’d like to throw my hat in the ring and say I too am liberal and also an atheist. That is not to say that all liberals should be assumed to be atheists or that all atheists are liberals. I consider myself a liberal because of my economic and social beliefs. I do not believe in God but envy those who do. It to me seems nice to have that belief but I won’t for a second pretend that I do just to fit in. The universe and… Read more »

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

I’m an atheist, but not much of a liberal. I’m more of an empiricist. This article correctly puts its finger on the fact that those who contribute the least are the most vocal about redistribution of wealth, although those who contribute the least are by no means a grouping that co-incides particularly with liberals. Through the continued development of technology in medicine, agriculture, not to mention aerospace, the relatively low-paid science community (which is largely liberal) make enormous contributions to our lives. Of course, there is a vast army of university types who have nothing to do with science and… Read more »

M. "Wyatt" Howell
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M. "Wyatt" Howell

Roll Tide !!!

BobW
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BobW

Fun piece. When it comes to post-apoc politics, I don’t ever see it getting past “Bob raises a chicken, raises his own damn wheat, and somehow figures out how to refine vegetable oil from corn he grew his damn self.” Not unwilling to participate in a new society, but completely unwilling to be a part of returning the the garbage we have now. With that, I present Bob’s rules for post-apoc politics: 1. Crush your enemies. 2. See them driven before you. 3. Hear the lamentations of their women. If you are unsure about #3, just focus on #1. If… Read more »

Huples
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Huples

Huples is a vegan and will rescue Bob’s chickens 🙂

BobW
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BobW

You’re killing me.

You’re going to rescue my chickens from their spacious Wichita coop, where they have a week of food and water at all times, mixed veggies, day old bread, and plenty of hugs? I’m training the attack chicken to deal with strange men trying to ‘rescue’ them in the middle of the night. Sucker drew blood last night.

M. "Wyatt" Howell
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M. "Wyatt" Howell

Today, there is no difference between Demopublicans and Repubocrats, with the EXCEPTION of Donald Trump.

Political parties are dangerous, as both are controlled by the CFR and other parasites, till now…because We, the People have awoken from our slumber…and this raising of consciousness has taken hold like a prairie grass fire (Thank God). It is time for real, beneficial change, and Trump, and American patriots will do the job of not only making America great again, but also free again, with liberty and justice for all, with one nation under God.

blackjack22
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blackjack22

You forget, talk is cheap, actions speak louder then words. Wait until TRUMP gets into office and see what he does before you say he is going to save us. He may turn out to be worse then who we have now.

John D
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John D

Worse than we have now? Not a chance of that.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Trump is finished. A huge proportion of Vets is now going to find something better to do than vote, come election day.

John D
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John D

They want you to believe that, and hope that you’ll stay home. In reality, Voters will turn out in record numbers, and Trump will win in a landslide. Watch and see.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Is this the same Trump who has never served his country but sees fit to blacken the names of its fallen heroes?
I thought Trump was going to shake the place up until he did that. Now I know he’s even lower than some of the previous lows.

Rhialto the Marvellous
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Rhialto the Marvellous

It’s a fallacy to imagine a “post-apocalyptic” world as a place where survivors till the land and raise chickens, with time passing as governments slowly re-evolve. Yes, I know, this is a humorous article. But I see a lot of prepper sites which put forth the same idea in all seriousness. The Bible describes no such world. Instead we see that after 1/4 of earth’s population dies (Revelation 6), instead of the survivors being left alone to heal and plant crops, they are mercilessly subjugated by the Antichrist while judgments, plagues and curses follow one after the other. Do you… Read more »

Pat Henry
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Rhialto,

I would like to point out that your comments seem to only envision one possible “post apocalyptic” scenario and that is the one presented in the Bible. What if we go through our own apocalypse before God is ready with his?

Pat

Rhialto the Marvellous
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Rhialto the Marvellous

Pat, I just don’t see it in the pages of the Bible. The more prophecy that I read, the more convinced I become that we are living in the last days right now. I could give you many reasons and examples out of the pages of Scripture why I believe this but I won’t go into that right now unless you want me to. It’s enough to say that if we are indeed living in the last days, the next prophetic events to occur are The Beginning of Sorrows which, as described in the book of Revelation, are horrendous and… Read more »

Rhialto the Marvellous
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Rhialto the Marvellous

Pat, I appreciate your website very much and I’m not trying to be argumentative. Nor do I want or even expect everyone to agree with me regarding Bible prophecy timelines. It’s just that I have put a lot of study into this over the years and the conclusions I’ve reached are all in agreement with events as portrayed in Scripture. I’d love to have a discussion about it if you’d like.
Regardless, once again let me say that I like this site and I glean a great deal of useful information from it.
Keep up the good work!

Jon
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Jon

As a Christian myself, I always find it interesting when someone state “well it’s not in the Bible”. Not everything is going to be in the Bible my friend, only those things related to God. So, yes there could be an apocalyptic scenario not covered in the Bible. The Black Death in Europe killed 1/4 of the population, that was an apocalyptic scenario to those people who lived it. Fringe groups of Christian have been preaching that Christ was retuning in their lifetime since he ascended to heaven more than 2,000 years ago, because all the signs where there. Now… Read more »

Jon
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Jon

sorry should have be plural!
The Bible does not speak of airplanes, computers, cell phones, or cars for example, but we have them

BobW
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BobW

I wasn’t going to comment, but…what the heck. The bible was far more expansive before Emperor Constantine and his chosen biblical scholars (and the church) decided what books to include and exclude. What was not included was hunted down to the ends of the empire for destruction. To say it isn’t in the bible is to accept that only those parts an emperor and the pope wanted us to see were included. As for what can and cannot happen, I’m with Pat. To say that we won’t destroy ourselves before GOD is ready for fire and brimstone is entirely possible.… Read more »

Jon
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Jon

I don’t think you and I really disagree!!

Rhialto the Marvellous
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Rhialto the Marvellous

I’ll talk about whatever I want to talk about, jon boy. By the way, I’m not your “friend” so get lost, Twerp.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

I was raised in a religious environment. Whenever I hear people going on about “prophecies”, all I can think about are pagans, druids and their weird beliefs.
We can’t predict the future, all we can do is stay true to our values to try to make our part of the future as we want it.

Stewpedaso
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Stewpedaso

Vegetables don’t produce oil…try lard insread

Huples
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Huples

..?

Jon
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Jon

Lard comes from animal fat not vegetables, my friend. Canola oil, and Olive oil are vegetable oils. Olive oil comes from pressing the olives to extract the oil for example. Fact check before you hit enter and look stupid!!!

Stewpedaso
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Stewpedaso

Olives are not vegetables and Canola oil is man made from a GMO rapeseed and partially hydrogenated using petroleum….I am aware that Lard is from animals, that’s why I recommended it lol…I have my degree in Culinary Arts…alot of the foods people consume are not what we think.

Jon
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Jon

I stand corrected Olives are considered a fruit!!! So use fruit oil instead of vegetable. But for the sake of argument here is the definition of vegetable oil: it is a triglyceride extracted from a plant. Such oils have been part of human culture for millennia. The term “vegetable oil” can be narrowly defined as referring only to plant oils that are liquid at room temperature.

Mr. Anderson
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Mr. Anderson

Fruits are vegetables as fruit are the reproductive parts of plants but are also considered plant parts (vegetables). Not all vegetables are fruit but all fruit are vegetables.

John D
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John D

Black OLives Matter 🙂

Huples
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Huples

Virgin or extra virgin coconut oil does not go rancid. If you do not have it in your food preps look it up. Lard just kills you. Black walnut and acorns good for fats but lard! Crisco is evil

BobW
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BobW

Look you liberal do gooder…oh wait, this isn’t the political thread. My bad. 🙂 Crisco is not the debil. Crisco is good, and I love it. And it loves me. Well, all funnin’ aside, I just can’t see crisping up some chicken in coconut oil. Some sacrifices must be made on the alter of Crisco. We haven’t used a lard based cooking agent more than twice in the past four years, but yes, it was for some buttermilk fried chicken. I will have to add some coconut oil to the preps. Wonder what it would take to grow olive trees… Read more »

Huples
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Huples

No idea about olive trees. I think they need south cali weather which I only have for 4-5 months. I did put in a pear tree this year. I dream about having an avocado tree but up here its a dream. You can roast the chicken in the belly of any marauders who attack you for the crisco 🙂

christopher
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christopher

This is an interesting article for pondering. I agree with Bamagrad03 to the extent that you will have those that are willing to work and those that aren’t, no matter their political persuasion. Unfortunately we have a large population that are vegetables themselves and won’t work even if they can. I think most conservatives agree that elderly & children will need a certain amount of support. But a Healthy male and Female should be able to contribute to the hard work it will take to rebuild. As a child that worked on a farm at age 10-17, I had chores… Read more »

IMHO
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IMHO

Sorry but you don’t “NEED” vegetable oil nor flour to fry chicken. And the only politics needed after the “apocalypse” is your firearm. Politicians are demagogues which makes them liberal by nature. Anyone who suggests forming some new political government will be shot on sight. I will be king of all I survey. End of story.

Jon
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Jon

“I will be king of all I survey”
Good job, you just created a political system!!!! Just like a good socialist, “Power from the barrel of a gun”.

IMHO
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IMHO

ALL GOVERNMENT IS FROM THE BARREL OF A GUN!!!!! Government is use of force to control others. Democracy is no different. Democracy is mob rule, forcing everyone to live by the whims of the majority from the barrel of a gun. And it is always degenerative as is evident by history and our current situation.
So get off your high horse. My proclamation to protect what is mine in no way suggests using force to control other people.

Jon
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Jon

Government 101. We are a representative republic, not a democracy. In our form of government the power come from the people. Unlike European democracies, where the government grants you rights, we grant the government the right to govern us. Most public school graduates do not understand the difference because the have been indoctrinated by the left who control our public schools and universities. Furthermore, I ride a Hog and not a horse!!!!

IMHO
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IMHO

Wrong. You are the one who doesn’t know what government you live under. We are a Representative Democracy. It is one of the worst forms of government their is because it is always destined to degenerate just like any democracy. You need to go read the document of our enslavement(aka Constitution) before you spout off.
I’m not a bit surprised that you would ride a rattle trap POS Harley. Made in the USA for weekend posers and people who have more money than brains.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Actually, IMHO, Democracy waters-down the whims that we are governed by.
It’s a terrible system, but it’s less terrible than all other systems that have been tried.

IMHO
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IMHO

You are wrong on that. Democracy ALLOWS the whims that we are governed by. It is a fraud and an illusion of equity that keeps people in slavery to the few. It is a lawless system of government and that is why we continue to degenerate. Under democracy you have absolutely no way to effect change for the better and there is no way to rebel against it. At least under a dictatorship or open oligarchy you can possibly eliminate the rulers to effect change.
Democracy is also anti-God at it’s very inception. For what it’s worth.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Yeah, it only took the poor old Russians 66 years to get rid of their dictatorship after finding out it wasn’t very good and killed tens of millions of them. The North Koreans have been starving to death under their dictatorship for 60 years and counting.
Meanwhile, citizens of democratic countries are hardly ever killed by their government, nearly all own cars and smartphones and can afford foreign holidays.
Clearly a dictatorship would have been better than a democracy!

IMHO
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IMHO

This country was built on war and theft and relies on war and theft to continue. This country is responsible for more death in its history than any other. You are seeking high ground when you have none. Since 9-11 there have been more americans killed by their own democratic government than have died in the “war on terror”. The fact that Russia could change for the better, (if it really did) just goes to prove that a dictatorship is better than democracy because a democracy NEVER changes for the better. North Korea is not starving. But the problems that… Read more »

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Russia deliberately starved tens of millions of its citizens to death. It stole their property and killed any who objected. It allied itself with the Nazis and helped them mass-murder the population of Poland.
By contrast, the USA killed a couple of hundred thousand people in Japan during a time of war, a war that the Japanese had started. (The Japanese killed many millions of people in China. For fun.).
Trying to compare any democratic nation with Communist Russia is utterly preposterous.

IMHO
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IMHO

In its democratic infancy the U.S. instigated a genocidal campaign against the native americans that caused an estimated 10 – 100 million deaths. Who can be sure at this point. But that was just the start. When you count all the wars the U.S. has started with its global expansion in order to fulfill its bogus manifest destiny and keep its economy afloat no one else comes close.
Murder and genocide are not exclusive to any form of government.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

There was no “genocidal campaign” that caused 10 million deaths. Smallpox killed 50x more than humans killed anyway. Violence was committed against the indians in massacres and relocation marches that caused thousands to die. Not millions.
And who else have the americans killed? Maybe 75,000 in the Phillipines, maybe 15,000 in Korea, another 50,000 in Vietnam. These numbers are insignificant compared with the tens of millions killed by dictatorships in places like Germany, Russia, and Cambodia in the 20th Century.
Like Winston Churchill said – Democracy is a pretty bad system, but all the other systems are much worse.

BobW
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BobW

How do you get that from what he said? He’ll ‘rule’ his own land is what I got. Seemed reasonable to me. Socialist? F no. Pure monarchy. I am the king of my castle.

Jon
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Jon

It was his lack of understanding that his statement was a fallacy. Yes ,his would be a monarchy, but a political systems none the less. That is the fallacy of his statement. As far as Government from the barrel of a gun is concerned it usually associated with dictators, left and right!!! I just threw the Socialist aspect in there for effect.

IMHO
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IMHO

That is just pure ignorance on your part. Individual sovereignty is not a political system. Why don’t you go get an education?

Jon
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Jon

I’m pretty sure my education exceeds what you have. Individual sovereignty is a creation of the sovereign citizen movement that dates only back in the 70s. That fact you identify yourself in that manner tells me everything I need to know about you. Never meet a sovereign citizen who wasn’t bat shit crazy!!! So, good luck in endeavors, because they don’t tend to end well for people with your mind set.

Jon
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Jon

I’m pretty sure my education exceeds what you have. Individual sovereignty is a creation of the sovereign citizen movement that dates only back in the 70s. That fact you identify yourself in that manner tells me everything I need to know about you. Never meet a sovereign citizen who wasn’t crazy!!! So, good luck in endeavors, because they don’t tend to end well for people with your mind set.

IMHO
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IMHO

Wow you are full of your little self aren’t you. I didn’t say anything about sovereign “citizen”. Idiot. I have my own mind and unlike you I don’t have to rely on other people to make my own way nor my own arguments.
Everything you, think you so masterfully, have said on this thread is erroneous and presumptive and shows a complete lack of intelligence on your part. The fact that you have to start a straw man argument proves you not capable of supporting your failed argument/attack. So much for your great intellect. LOL.
Loser.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

They won’t share their beans with you if you carry on like that.
Which is rather the point….it’s all well and good being the king of your castle, but at some point you’re going to need to deal in a rational way with the people running the other castles in the neighborhood.
Isolationism is hopeless. Assuming your lack of cooperation and willingness to compromise doesn’t simply get you killed, at the very risk it will increase all the other risks that exist.

IMHO
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IMHO

Trading with neighbors has nothing to do with setting up government. And people who want to kill you for not trading with them are called criminals and they will be dealt with accordingly.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Well, say you build a wood gasifier for power – and say it’s a nice big one that delivers 20KW – you only need 4 KW, so you now have a communal asset, you share the power and you share the work in preparing the wood and maintaining the gasifier with the other groups with whom you share the power. A shared resource and shared responsibilities provides benefits and requires cooperation. Same goes with communcal defense. A mindless “I’m the king” approach will not allow you to use shared resources like this, and your future is less secure as a… Read more »

IMHO
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IMHO

Talk about mindlessness. Your scenario has nothing to do with my comments. You apparently have your Hollywood induced fantasies that you can’t break free of, or maybe its because you are stuck in the city and don’t have a clue how to survive without someone else cradling you so you and the rest of the leaches of society cringe at the thought of loosing your welfare. I don’t know. Willingness to trade and cooperation with others does not require government. So your argument is moot and honestly quite stupid. You want your life run by demagogues and that is your… Read more »

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Trade and cooperation *is* government.
As soon as you have agreements, you have rules. People have to agree with those rules and part of job specialisation is that somebody will be in charge of enforcing them.
Frankly, it seems clear to me you won’t last 12 months, when SHTF, assuming you are even prepared at all.

IMHO
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IMHO

WRONG on both accounts. You are perhaps the most ignorant person I have had the displeasure to engage in discussion.
“Hey everybody I formed a government today because I bought hay from my neighbor.” “I’m gonna form another government when I sell some eggs to my other neighbor.”
Your exaggerated definition of government in this conversation
is just an ignorant attempt to justify your inane remarks. You are picking nits instead of trying to have an honest discussion.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

So who is authorised to go and trade with the neighbour? What if you find out one of your fellow-survivors has been trading your group’s ammo to the neighbour in exchange for lace doilies? You’re going to have to have rules, and you will need to enforce those rules. Your group may accept that *you* make all the rules, or they may insist that *every* member of the group gets to vote on rules, or they may decide that the council of wives should make all the rules. It’s inevitable – you will have a government.

IMHO
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IMHO

Again you are grasping at straws and picking nits. Yes there will be rules that govern peoples lives. This thread and my original comments are about forced submission to government. When you come with your BS government and try to force me to submit you will face the consequences. No one is forced to enter my kingdom but when they do it will be my rules. No effin demonic degenerate democracy. No political demagogues.
In answer to your question: If someone is taking supplies and trading on their own it is called theft.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Jack Ruby taught his boys to think like this. Where did that get any of them?
Same with those nuts in the Walmart carpark earlier this year.
You need to accept that negotiation and compromise are a pretty important part of survival.

IMHO
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IMHO

Wow, are you an idiot or what? My god, talking to you is like talking to a deaf retard. But that is what happens when you don’t read or have no reading comprehension ability. I will not explain it to you again and I will not answer your childish strawman arguments that you keep bringing up.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

I’m also interested in your “criminals” comment. A “criminal” is somebody who has transgressed laws. Laws are rules that govern conduct that re promulgated by a governing body, and enforced by that body or its agents. If you have “criminals” it means you have government.

IMHO
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IMHO

Ok. That is just pure idiocy. If you think that you cant have criminals if you don’t have government then you are an idiot. And not worth my time. I don’t argue with stupidity.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

If you don’t have laws, then what is a criminal?
As soon as you have laws, you need somebody to enforce them, that is government.

IMHO
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IMHO

Don’t try your strawman argument on me. I never said there were no laws. There are laws of nature and/or God and they are plain, simple and non intrusive and do not require a “government” to enforce.
Laws and morality that govern a persons conduct are not the same as forming a government to rule over other peoples lives and force your beliefs on them. You apparently are not capable of discerning the difference.
I guess I lied. Apparently I do argue with stupidity.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Whose god? Your neighbours might follow a god who tells them that the internal combustion engine is the work of the devil and devil-worshippers should be shot at. Or maybe their god tells them that followers of your god are by definition the servants of the followers of the true god and therefore they can take whatever they want off you? Maybe *you* will be the one whose god tells you to do things that your neighbours think are against the laws of god/nature?

IMHO
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IMHO

I don’t give a rats butt what god you serve. The fact that you think “God” is telling people what to do proves your ignorance.
Is it impossible for you to think of a belief system that doesn’t include force or theft such as your democracy? The end is always forced servitude with you people. That is your form of government not mine.
And I will say it again for your dense skull. Everyone has tenets that govern their lives. When YOU try to force yours on others then you are trying to be “The Government”.

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

So you have lots of eggs, and I have lots of beans. And I’m a weirdo with strange religious beliefs – “My God tells me we can only do trades at 11am on a Wednesday”, I tell you.
Do you want to cooperate with my weirdo beliefs, or will you stick to your aggressive attitude of not accepting others’ rules?

IMHO
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IMHO

Again with the stupid strawman. I guess when you can’t argue intelligently then you just start making up arguments. Again I won’t be drawn into defending what you say about me. Also I already said I don’t care what your god tells you to do. Freak.

John D
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John D

Craig; I’m glad you’ve commented here because you’ve helped me make a point. In transitioning from what we have now to what we’ll have post-SHTF, it’s important to focus on the practical aspects of survival. Arguing about what does or doesn’t make up a government contributes no useful information to this discussion. More than anything else, this article is about cooperation in a post-apocalyptic world. Where you’re concerned, I only need to know a few things: Are you a producer, or a parasite? Do you want to work with me, or do you want to rule me? Do you want… Read more »

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

Frankly, I am terrified that there will be anybody like IMHO to deal with in my post-SHTF world. I already have one near-neighbour who spends far too much time taking down my fences so he can drive through my property and I sometimes hear him rapidly expending 5.56mm ammo at night, presumably beer is involved, to worry about. My plan for him is, frankly, to buy him off, although I sometimes amuse myself dropping trees across some of the tracks I don’t intend to use for a while to stop him driving through.

Huples
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Huples

As an actual paid member of the Liberal Party of Canada this article gave me a great laugh. Liberal means open minded and conservative means closed, narrow minded. both extremes will not serve anyone well in the event of a major interruption in normal life. More likely those who forge strong community ties will thrive and those who rule by aggression will not. Always someone willing to kill the tyrant lol If I was a yank would I follow Clinton or Trump in the new shtf world? Duh. Neither so why would I follow them now? Politicans really do not… Read more »

BobW
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BobW

Why the heck do you think we are preparing for that rainy day? None of them represent us anymore. Rich, enlightened, special. Scary to think that the political elite will mostly survive an apocalyptic event. Come crawling out from under their rock and try to pick up where they let off. No thanks.

I used to call myself a liberal conservative, but it felt too dirty to continue the sarcasm.

Huples
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Huples

Not everyone is as cynical about how politics is used in 2016 Bob! I agree with your take on this. People really need to start voting for human beings no matter the party but they won’t given media control and corruption

John D
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John D

We seem to have different definitions of Liberals and Conservatives. I think of Liberals as favoring big government, more restrictions, and higher taxes to support a wide spectrum of handouts. I think of Conservatives as people who are able-bodied, talented, and don’t require handouts for their survival. I’ve worked hard for what I have, and although I consider myself generous, I don’t want to see it taken from me, especially to support those who don’t want to work. I think of Liberals as less religious, and more likely to be pro-choice than pro-life. They’ve contributed to the greatest danger our… Read more »

Huples
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Huples

Great post as it shows how point of view flips the issue!
I dislike Trump myself as I find him a little to simplistic in his immigration policies. However he is dead right about trade deals and banks.
Clinton is evil and not in anyway a liberal. Why is she not in jail?
Canada has room but is not the USA with igloos! Come and visit, check out our news sites. Very much socialist up here and doing okay 🙂

John D
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John D

I have no problem with those who have different political views, except when they try to take away my rights. Trump’s policies may sound simplistic, he’s not a politician. But he’ll surround himself with wise people. He didn’t get to where he is today by making bad decisions. Most importantly, he’ll make decisions that benefit the USA, instead of lining his own pockets (Hillary). Hillary should be in jail. It’s very disturbing that we have one set of rules for the politically elite, and another set for the rest of us. I still prefer capitalism to socialism, but that’s just… Read more »

Huples
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Huples

Trump might deliver. Clinton certainly won’t. Left or right wing doesn’t matter on this one down there in 2016. For all the media bs I know many left wingers are voting for the Donald this year and I agree with them.

Still I hope never to be sealed in a bunker with either one of them!

Timothy Whalen
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Timothy Whalen

I think most that survive will be conservatives. Most that die will be Liberals.

Timothy Whalen
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Timothy Whalen

P.S. The Fried Chicken is just an added bonus.

Huples
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Huples

Fried chicken will kill you anyway Timothy!
Go vegan and thrive 🙂

Progressive Prepper
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Progressive Prepper

Another liberal prepper here. There are more of us than you think.

Gulo
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Gulo

The problem with all these forums is everything is understood and discussed solely in terms of liberal or conservative, much like Al Sharpton or David Duke see everything in terms of black and white. The prevailing thought in many circles in America today is if one holds a particular view, either conservative or liberal, that view must be 100% liberal or 100 % conservative. There is no longer middle ground, which, I believe is where the majority of Americans are. They hold liberal positions on some issues and conservative positions in other issues. How those positions are distributed across the… Read more »

Craig Thomas
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Craig Thomas

My daughter recently asked me, “What’s a communist? What do they believe in?” I told her – think about people who follow football teams: some people follow a football team because their father did. Or maybe they like that team’s colours and flag. Or maybe that team has a star player that they really like. Political beliefs for the vast majority of people are the same: people have no idea what they are following, but they like the flag or the party leader or their father taught them it was the right political party to follow. In a SHTF world,… Read more »