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Once you have a firearm you need to consider what it is going to take to feed your weapon. You can think of it in the way of just getting enough ammo for a particular hunt or recreation, but I suggest you take a good hard look at stockpiling ammo for the just in case scenario. There are some good guidelines and tips on stockpiling ammo that will simplify this process for you and make it easier than it sounds on some forums you may have come across.

Stockpiling Ammunition: Amounts and Types

First we will go over the best amounts and types of ammunition to stockpile. This could be specific to the caliber and gauge of the firearms you so they may be somewhat generalized. The first type is the ultra popular 22LR. It is common and popular for good reason because it is light, effective, and generally cost efficient. The fact that you can generally get larger lots of this ammo for a fraction of the cost makes it an absolute staple in any ammo stockpile. Chances are you already own a 22LR and if you are new to firearms they are great way to get into shooting because of the lack of harsh noise and absence of recoil making it easy to get your fundamentals down. If you are able to master your shooting fundamentals with a gun that uses cheap ammunition you will be way ahead rather than trying to buy a gun to make you better. 22LR is now becoming a little easier to get a hold of in the 500 round lots again so it is a good time to go out and grab some. My recommendation for the amount to keep on hand is 2,000 rounds that you actually keep stockpiled away from your normal shooting stash. In the event you need to hunt for food this gives you a lot of opportunities with minimal space to store it and weight of the cache. This is only 4 cases of the 500 round “bricks” you typically see people buying.

For semiautomatic weapons such as your AR-15 and AR-10 platforms, as well as semiautomatic pistols it is a good idea to keep around 2,000 rounds as well because these types of rifles can really chew through your ammunition stock if you do a lot of shooting. It’s pretty much nothing to go out and shoot 100 rounds in an afternoon and that is just a little over 3 standard 30 round magazines. If you can keep stock of more than this it is even better but aiming for 2,000 rounds in reserve plus whatever amount you deem for practice shooting is a great goal to shoot for. It is the easiest and most affordable to buy FMJ (full metal jacket) ammunition because it is the most available and in the largest lots if you want to get bulk pack. A good goal is to have around 200 rounds of the more specialty type ammunition such as ballistic tip, hollow point, and match ammo because they are great for what they are designed for but are often over double the price of the conventional FMJ type ammunition.

For your bigger bolt guns and magnum rifles try to keep around 250 rounds in your reserve stash. The reason for this being a lower number is factored by two main reasons: cost and amount typically used. If you own a 300 win mag you know how expensive it is to shoot and the fact you don’t typically go out and try to shoot 100 rounds in a day unless your shoulder is made out of granite. However if you do a lot of long-range shooting you may go through more of this ammo so keep in mind the 250 rounds is just the amount of ammo you are saving for an emergency not included in your normal shooting ammo. For shotguns aim for about 500 rounds because regardless of gauge this is a lot of firepower. It might be a good idea to get a variety of loads besides just basic #7 bird-shot. 00 buckshot is great because of its effectiveness at self-protection and slugs for hunting.

Storage Solutions for your stockpiled ammo

MTM 50 Caliber Ammo Storage Can – $10

Now that you have a better idea of how much ammunition to keep on hand I’ll go over the best ways to store it for long-term storage. First you will need some good containers such as plastic or metal ammo cans. These come with a gasket in the lid to make a strong seal when snapped shut making moisture and humidity difficult to permeate. I recommend leaving the ammunition in the boxes it comes in just for organizational sake to keep a bunch of loose rounds from rolling around. If you buy larger lots they sometimes come in an ammo can already so that will save you a step looking for a container. You can buy replacement gaskets so if a gasket ever starts to fall apart or dry up you can simply throw in a new gasket to keep the integrity of the ammo can. The best thing to do is keep desiccant packages inside the ammo can to absorb any moisture that would be inside the can keeping the rounds dry.  These are cheap and you can usually find them in things you already purchased in the packaging. Make sure to mark each box with what is inside either with some tape to write on or stencils so it is easy for you to identify if in a hurry.

Cost effective way to start stockpiling ammo

If you do not have the money to drop $350+ on a big lot of ammo you can simply go for a small box of ammo every week or couple of weeks. Just as an example say you will get a box of 20 rounds of .223/5.56 every week at around $9 a box for basic FMJ will add up to only $36 dollars a month and give you 1,200 rounds year. So basically you can incrementally add to your ammo stockpile instead of have to buy in bulk. It does offer some cost savings to purchase larger lots but may be a little easier to budget for a smaller weekly expense. As long as you take some simple steps to budget and prepare for it you will be able to begin getting a good cache built up.

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45 Comments

  1. John Hertig

    February 16, 2017 at 8:03 pm

    Actually 00 Buck is not the best for defensive purposes. #4 Buck is generally considered to be better outside of Hollywood scriptwriters. 00 will certainly work to stop an attacker (or food animal), but you are discarding some of the “spread” which is intrinsic to shotguns.

    .223 FMJ is not reliable at stopping an attacker. Certainly it is great for practice and is better than nothing, but for “real” defensive or hunting use, you want to have as much expanding ammunition as is practical for your situation. If I were to depend on a 223, I would use only expanding for hunting, and perhaps alternate FMJ and expanding in the magazine if I could find two that shot to the same point of aim. This would provide the best stopping power and the best penetration for barriers. And have some magazines of expanding only for rushing mobs, where stopping power is most critical and barriers are not a concern.

    • BobW

      February 17, 2017 at 1:45 am

      I wouldn’t disagree on 00 Buck as less than ideal outside buildings. The problem I’ve seen with #4 is availability and price. You can find more than a dozen different brands and specs of 00 Buck on the shelf, but if lucky, you might find one box of #4. In my shopping, #4 is significantly more expensive than basic 00 buck loads.

      As for .223 and 5.56mm, avoid the .223, stick with 5.56mm. Using 55gr FMJ for practice and general target shooting, but focus on M855 62gr FMJ for zero…

      I’ve read better data on 77gr ammo, and the newer 85gr ammo for 5.56mm. Read up on these before jumping after them. Generally speaking, the heavier bullets require 1/7 or 1/8 twist barrels to get the needed stability. As for 85gr, I’ve read positive results from 1/8 and 1/9 twist barrels, and at elevation. Do you own research.

      • John Hertig

        February 17, 2017 at 2:13 am

        If #4 is hard to find and more expensive, then that is an important factor these days. Back when I was buying ammunition, #4 was plentiful and the same price as 00. Perhaps it is hard to find and more expensive because those in the know have been buying it up.

        As for the data I’ve seen, the 85gr is marginal in the 1/8 barrel and not suitable for a 1/9. 1/7 is where it really shines. 1/7 is for heavier bullets and 1/9 is for lighter bullets and 1/8 is a compromise which should handle 40gr to 87gr at least adequately and be optimal for 62gr to 77gr

        5.56 is best if all you will ever shoot is 5.56 ammo (military grade). 223 ammo (civilian grade) should cycle adequately, but will lose a bit of accuracy. More versatile is the 223 WYLDE chambering; it will handle both versions with aplomb, and that is desirable IMHO. Yes, I would avoid the standard 223 chambering; if you ever fire 5.56, it can have problems extracting.

        You can’t go wrong with military grade FMJ, but for the expanding bullets which are more useful in some situations, 223 has a better selection and a significantly better price.

        • BobW

          February 17, 2017 at 4:20 pm

          Most of your response matches my readings. I did read some time ago about 85gr actually working well in 1/9 barrels, but the author did mention it was at elevation. It was a surprise to read from this author SGM(Ret) Kyle.

          I don’t have experience on this, as I don’t have a weapon in that chambering, but the observation is worth researching. It would have been in G&A, or one of their AR ‘specials’ last year.

          • John Hertig

            February 20, 2017 at 2:00 am

            The problem is distance. The reason we “spin” bullets is so that they have gyroscopic properties to keep them “in line”. When the spin rate drops low enough that it is no longer gyroscopic, then the bullets have a tendency to tumble, which messes up accuracy severely. So if you are “close enough” that the slower rate of spin (due to slower velocity and less barrel twist) does not slow down to the critical point, then no problem. Perhaps if you are high enough, the thinner air doesn’t slow down the spin as much.

    • JD

      February 17, 2017 at 2:59 pm

      I think #4 buck and 00 buck is splitting hairs. If you shoot someone in the chest with either round at 15 feet, I doubt they will be able to tell the difference. And all of the law enforcement I know that pack shotguns, pack 00 buck. Good enough for them good enough for me.

      • John Hertig

        February 17, 2017 at 5:06 pm

        Do the people who pack the shotguns choose the ammunition? Or could it be bean counters back at the office who got their gun training from movies and are only concerned with cost?

        In any case, 00 is adequate, and if it is cheaper and easier to find, its not a “wrong” choice. At 15 feet with good aim, I doubt there is any significant difference. At longer range and under stress, the significantly larger number of pellets in #4 may provide an advantage.

        • JD

          February 17, 2017 at 5:32 pm

          Well it could be argued that the smaller pellet size of #4 would be less effective at range due to it smaller size and lighter weight. 00 buck can keep all its pellets within the size of a hubcap at 25 yards. That’s the performance I’ve seen with it. Not to mention, the low recoil type ammo law enforcement use is MORE expensive than than regular ammo.

          Hey, I don’t really care what someone uses, as I got no dog in this hunt. I hardly use a shotgun, as I believe the rifle or pistol can do, for the most part, the same work as a shotgun, only better. Maybe some Podunk little town police station got their training from the movies and are concerned with nothing but cost. But I know for a fact the border patrol uses 00 buck. And it’s not because they got their training from the movies and their concerned about cost, it’s because it works.

          • crazy euro dude

            February 19, 2017 at 7:41 am

            i have 12 gauge semi auto shotgun and im packing a lot of 5.5 and 7.5mm buck size shells, when shooting at someone with 7.5mm buck (im european we dont use your terms in buck size) there is 12 of them in each shell and that can form a 1/4m2 spread at 5-6m range with each buck having enough power like pistol round 7.62mm short with each having decent power to seriously injure a grown man, not to mention the other 11 buck in same spread.. at 5 shells x 12 buck each thats 60pcs 7.5mm ball flying towards imposter in 2-3 seconds time, mashine gun cant beat that rate of fire.. ofcourse i have single shots, bird shot etc.. but my favorite ones are 5,5mm and 7.5mm size buck. ofcourse they wont penetrate decent body armor (chest one) but the spread size means it will destroy legs or arms, throat or face, stomach etc..

      • The Kafir

        May 18, 2017 at 10:22 pm

        I keep a large selection of ammo. For shotgun, I have shot for nearly all possibilities; hunting different game as well as home/self defense. But yeah, the bad guys ain’t gonna know what drops them…

    • Jonny Dplrbl

      March 26, 2017 at 6:23 pm

      I disagree on the .223/5.56 not being a good stopper. It only got bad when Uncle Sam switched to 62gr [tri-metal] M855 FMJ, which did not have the velocity or rapid tumble of the predecessor, the 55gr [bi-metal] M193 FMJ.

      The 55gr FMJ variant is a highly viable anti-personnel round out of an M4 or longer barrel. It tumbles within a couple of inches of entry and causes massive trauma. The 62gr was designed to penetrate barriers, but the trade-off was poor terminal ballistics.

      Of course, bigger is better when it comes to bullets, but there are many other factors, including weight and capacity that make the .223/5.56 desirable in a SHTF situation.

      • John Hertig

        March 26, 2017 at 11:14 pm

        When did they make that change? I’ve heard guys who were in Viet Nam claim to have see puffs of dust from running Viet Cong, who kept on running. And did they also change the barrel twist at the same time? The 62gr likes a tighter twist than the 55gr.

        • nuartyboy

          April 10, 2017 at 1:48 pm

          The change from M193 to M855 was made in the 1980s. Anything you hear from a Vietnam-era veteran is obsolete as DOD has not utilized the 55 gr rounds in decades. Maybe you should be asking about 5.56 terminal ballistics from an OEF/OIF Veteran – there are Millions of them.

  2. GregChick

    February 16, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    isn’t a short barrel pistol using bird shot a good self protection?

    • BobW

      February 17, 2017 at 1:47 am

      Indoors. Outdoors, and at any range beyond say 25 yards, there is no certainty of taking down larger game. Wounds will be real, but not necessarily sufficient to stop larger game when the children are hungry and scared.

    • BobW

      February 17, 2017 at 1:57 am

      Crap, I missed the ‘pistol’ you mentioned. Judge style weapons that shoot the .410 shotgun round I would question at anything but point-blank range. Insufficient quantity of shot, and with the stub barrel makes its effective range minimal. Caveat Empor.

      • GregChick

        February 17, 2017 at 12:08 pm

        Caveat Emptor, for sure, but pistol being easy cary, buck shot being “hard to miss” target sort of thing and self protection may be “Point blank” or near. I am no marksman, I am not even an enthusiast, just blogging, reading and learning. Thanks for the reply, if I really want to know I need to buy a couple boxes and a pistol and a cheap dummy on a swing rope!, sound like therapy?

        • BobW

          February 17, 2017 at 4:20 pm

          If it was me, I would certainly experimenting with the theory through therapy.

          • GregChick

            February 17, 2017 at 8:33 pm

            Therapy first guns second… got it. Guns are not the problem, people are, so I will practice what I preach. Then consider a nickel round butt S&W 19-4.

      • The Deplorable Cruella DeVille

        February 17, 2017 at 1:14 pm

        The Judge with the Winchester PDX1.410 is my wife’s preferred nightstand or around the house weapon, vs. her Kimber Micro in .380 for carry.
        The judge with that combo is devastating out to roughly 15 yd, and that’s all you should ever need in the house. The .380 was chosen for size, and her accuracy. We’ve been through all the popular 9mm handguns, and she’s just better with the Kimber. I’ll stick with my xDMs, or full size Kimber. But the gun you can get solid hits with is the “best” gun.

    • John Hertig

      February 17, 2017 at 2:15 am

      No, the shot is small, the velocity is not great, so the stopping power is pretty minimal. Plus, a short, rifled barrel will spread the pattern so much that you may hit things you don’t want to hit.

  3. FRANK

    February 16, 2017 at 10:49 pm

    In his excellent book “Life After Doomsday” Dr Bruce Clayton devotes a large section of a chapter on this question of how much ammo to store. It’s been a while since I read the book but he recommended 10,000 rounds for a battle rifle like an AR15 or AK47. This was based his research of the number of fire fights a person was likely to survive. Some other very good books that cover this subject is Mel Tappan “Survival Guns”, and “Boston’s Gun Bible” by Boston T. Party(great all around book for selecting which firearms to choose, very detailed).
    There are some simple methods for savings money while getting more ammo at the same time, one example is purchasing ZQ1 M855 556 light armour piercing ammo which has 30 rounds in a box instead of the usual 20 rounds for about the same price as most other brands. This is NATO specification ammo made in Turkey. From research our US Troops use this ammo in the middle east. Look at video on You Tube or do your own research before you buy any ammo.
    I agree with John on #4 Buck is superior to 00 Buck. In 00 Buck there are 9 pellets approx 32 caliber. In #4 Buck there are 27 pellets of approx 25 caliber. You have three times the chance of hitting something with #4 buck. In some of the police training classes I attended we shot different objects with various weapons and #4 Buck is very effective against car bodies.
    The plastic ammo cans have warped in use losing their seal after they were completely filled and stored. New copies of the military 30 and 50 caliber metal ammo cans can be purchased for around ten dollars at Tractor Supply, Walmart, Atwoods as well as many other places. Be sure and put a desiccant bag in each can to allow for moisture which can collect inside the can.
    One last thing, I read an article that said allowing ammunition to freeze damaged the gun powder. I wrote both Remington and Winchester and asked this question but did not receive a reply. I followed up with Remington and was advised that they were unable to respond due to liability concerns.
    If anyone has any definite research from military or recognized authorities I would appreciate them posting the source so I could research this subject further.

    • Fifth_Disciple

      February 17, 2017 at 1:01 am

      Hodgdon’s Extreme Powers (I shoot H4895 and Retumbo) are guaranteed to fire in sub zero conditions.

    • John Hertig

      February 17, 2017 at 2:29 am

      Ah, good old “green tip”. Good stuff, but there have been and perhaps will continue to be, efforts to ban it for its “armor piercing” qualities.

      I’ve always felt, without any hard evidence to support it, that heat could damage stored ammo as well. And of course, the real killer, is oil/gas or their fumes.

      • JD

        February 17, 2017 at 1:56 pm

        The atf already tried that move, and it failed miserably. I doubt there will be any future attempts at such a futile move, as the m855 is not considered an armor piercing round. Regular 55gr m193 will penetrate soft armor, as any other center fire rifle round will. And that was what everyone saw the pukes at the aft was trying to pull, because if they were successful at banning m855, it wouldn’t have been long after m193 would have followed and so on and so forth. Ultimately banning the AR-15. Or rendering it useless if one could not buy ammo for it.
        Personally, I think the m193 is a deadlier round because it yaws in its target as opposed to producing ice pick wounds like the m855.

        • John Hertig

          February 17, 2017 at 5:13 pm

          Sorry JD, but there already has been a future attempt, a bill in Congress trying the same thing. And fortunately, it also died. Never underestimate the tenacity of the gun grabbers. They only have to win once, we have to win every time.

          And the question is, how futile was it? Is it not a favorite tactic to demand the moon and then “settle” for an island in the Caribbean?

          • JD

            February 17, 2017 at 11:06 pm

            I was unaware of any recent attempts on banning ammo. Aside from the one a couple years ago. But it wouldn’t surprise me. The liberal retards will always, feel, they know what is better for all of us and the safety of society.

            • John Hertig

              February 18, 2017 at 12:44 pm

              Yep, some have good intentions, but they don’t tend to think things through. Someone does something unfortunate using a gun, why obviously, make guns illegal and unfortunate things can’t be done by people who a) already show they hold laws in contempt and b) have access to dozens of alternatives, some of which are even more effective for unfortunate acts than guns.

      • MrsRanMac

        March 2, 2017 at 12:13 pm

        But…the 223 – 55g ammo will ALSO peirce armor…anyway it went through a piece of 1/4″ steel plate we had laying around….so I don’t see the difference between 55g & 62g other than 7g of weight…

        • John Hertig

          March 2, 2017 at 1:34 pm

          Yep, realistically, most rifle calibers could be considered to be “armor piercing”, since the “standard” is Kevlar cloth based. Successful bans tend to be on “pistol” calibers.

    • JD

      February 17, 2017 at 2:22 pm

      I think since those books were written, and I have 2 of claytons books I have the gun bible and tappans books, people have come to their senses. 10,000 rounds per battle rifle is absurd. Ok what if you have 3-5 battle rifles. Let’s take 3. I just looked online at one of the places I order ammo from. It’s 310 dollars for a 1000 rounds of 5.56. 3,100 dollars to get the required 10,000 rounds for one rifle. 9,300 to get the required 10,000 rounds per. Maybe it’s because when these recommendations were made, ammo was ALOT cheaper. But these days to spend just short of 10 grand to buy the ammo supply for 3 rifles is a monumental waste of money. You could buy 2 or 3 year food supply’s for a family of 4, with that kind of money. Now, ammo is very important to have. Especially for a guy like myself who trains and shoots a lot. I happen to follow the authors recommendation of 2000 rounds per weapon. Not including training ammo. But my training ammo doesn’t last long because I shoot every week. But what if you were to have to bug out? You certainly aren’t taking 10,000 rounds of ammo in your backpack! If you shoot a .308, you aren’t taking a 1000 rounds with you! Believe me, I’m in good shape and when I had to walk a 1260 round case of South African .308 out to my truck from the gun show I bought it from, that sucked! And that was with no pack no rifle, no water etc.

      Ok you have a vehicle your gonna load up and bug out with. A Jeep Wrangler. Nice vehicle, but I’m sorry, it’s not gonna haul 30,000 rounds of ammunition, and everything else your gonna want to take. Short of a 3/4 ton pickup, I don’t know what 30,000 rounds weighs, but I do know what those 1260 rounds of South African weighed, 85 pounds. See where I’m goin with this? 2000 rounds is a good recommendation I believe because it wouldn’t take long to load it, any vehicle can haul it, along with everything else, and it is more realistic in terms of spending what it takes to buy that amount of ammo.

      • BobW

        February 17, 2017 at 5:46 pm

        But, on the flip side, 10k, stashed in 5-10 locations of 500-1000 rounds each makes a lot of sense. I don’t think people follow the distributed resupply approach often enough.

        • JD

          February 17, 2017 at 11:12 pm

          Lol, well, I didn’t say that I wouldn’t want 10k of ammo! Ehh it still wouldn’t last me, thats all the more shooting I’d be doing. That isn’t a bad plan though, having it stashed in different locations near the bug out or bug in location. Or maybe somewhere in between locations etc. Maybe if I won the lottery, but I wont be spending that kind of money on ammo. I wish I could!

        • Bolofia

          February 18, 2017 at 8:37 pm

          A word of caution is perhaps in order here. If you can actually find five to ten places away from your home to safely store ammo, you still must be able to get to those locations to retrieve it if you have a SHTF situation. I have no argument with quantity of ammo (I try to maintain a combined inventory of around 10,000 rounds of 9mm, 5.56 and 7.62X39.) The lot size for each caliber varies over time, of course, based on consumption. I also maintain lesser quantities of ammo for other firearms, such as .22LR and 22 Mag, .357 Mag, .45ACP, 30-06, 30-30, 12 and 16 gauge, etc.

          I you follow Brady’s advice, then you also need to store some meaningful quantity of additional ammo offsite for your less frequently used (or more specialized) firearms. Without a backup inventory, those firearms would be essentially useless in a time of need.

          Frankly, I can’t think of five (much less ten) offsite locations that give me satisfactory confidence for environmental storage, physical security and guaranteed accessibility needed for ammo caches. Remember, you must be able to get to these sites even if everything has gone sideways in your world.

          Also overlooked in most comments is what happens if your firearms are forcibly confiscated from your home? Do you also have the ability (and resources) to securely store and recover backup weapons in any of these locations?

          I am not criticizing your idea! I’m just suggesting that it probably isn’t as easy to implement as some might imagine.

          • BobW

            February 20, 2017 at 4:00 pm

            Thanks, Bolo. Sorry I didn’t see this over the weekend. You have the right of it, it is more involved, and potentially more risky than single source storage.

            This is completely hypothetical, as I have developed a proposed approach, but am not implementing as of now. Ideally, cheap back up weapons would be stored at these locations. This is where the physical and legal risk comes into it, as well as trust.

            If cost wasn’t an object (it is), and risk can be mitigated (not as of yet) Storing at least an AR-7 or 10/22 with accompanying .22LR would be a great start. The AR-7’s waterproof, enclosed assembly would be a great start due to its small footprint when disassembled.

            I’d consider your most common calibers of ammo as well, and if possible, a well functioning beater rifle/pistol in the same caliber.

            Personally, I wouldn’t want to bury anything I would be depressed if it was stolen, so your “back-up” Ed Brown 1911 is out.

            I’ve thought a bit on underground weapon storage. Seems to me, that thoroughly coating it with waterproof grease, then bagging it in a sealer bag, with desicants — sp? and an oxygen absorber or two should be sufficient to protect metal items for five or so years. I’m not a storage expert, so I’d love other opinions.

            What about picking up older surplus weapons and having them rechambered or rebarrelled in the caliber of your supplies? Research would have to be conducted. What about Nagants and 200 rounds of surplus nagant ammo (7.62×54?) I don’t have one, and never dealt with them, but a tried and true weapon on the cheap with a few boxes or even one of those old Soviet tins of ammo would probably go a long way if shit got too real.

      • FRANK

        February 18, 2017 at 1:19 am

        If will refer back to what Mr Clayton recommended was 10,000 total rounds spread out for all battle rifles. His research showed even a well trained individual was unlikely to survive firefights where 10,000 rounds were expended. Some of the other authors offered very specific advice on what types and the quantity of each to stock up on.
        Both the author of this article and numerous books offer advice it’s up to each individual to take it. From my experience the primary reason most departments use 00 Buck is because it was low bid. There are arguments that can be made for both sides of any subject, buy what you like and be happy wit it.

  4. Flattop

    February 17, 2017 at 10:18 am

    When it comes to self defense, is it necessary to inform someone that you are armed and will defend yourself, or is it better to use the shock value of the discharging firearm which give you a valuable edge in the confrontation?

    • JD

      February 17, 2017 at 1:47 pm

      Absolutely not. If someone breaks into my home at 2:00 am and I grab my weapon and see someone standing 6′ tall in my kids doorway, do you think I’m gonna say “stop or I’ll shoot!” Wrong, he will have a burst of 220 grain hornady critical duty penetrating his face.
      I conceal carry everywhere I go. Including the places that have “signs”. If I am at the mall and some scumbag pulls out a weapon and starts killing people, when I decide to engage, do you think I’m gonna yell “stop or I’ll shoot” wrong, burst to the face.
      In the first scenario, just make sure he’s dead, when court time comes, there will only be one story, yours. In the second, there will not be a jury in the country that would convict you if you killed some scumbag that was killing innocents at the mall. End of story.

    • John Hertig

      February 17, 2017 at 6:10 pm

      If a person is an immediate threat to you or other innocents they need to be stopped like right now. And that is the only reason you may be able to legally and morally shoot someone (no guarantees in our current legal climate). Because they needed to be stopped so much that it is irrelevant whether they die from that stopping.

      So it depends on the situation. Does the person have a weapon in hand? How close is he to you or the potential victim? And other such factors.

      Note that if you provide any indication that you “intended” to kill someone and they happen to die, it will likely not go well for you. The goal, in words AND deed, should always be to stop them from causing serious harm to you or someone else.

      • FRANK

        February 18, 2017 at 2:38 am

        Three good rules to remember if you ever have to use deadly force to take someone’s life.
        Do not discuss anything with the police without your attorney present. Even if the officer is your best friend from high school things have different ways of being interpreted, dont say anything, period.
        Same advice for any members of your family that may have been witnesses. It is not uncommon for people’s stories not to be exactly the same when viewed from different angles or mental states, age, experiences etc. Things look differently to different people.
        Join a legal aid organization now for a few dollars a month or hire an attorney that u can call in the middle of the night and he will come help you now before you need him.
        You absolutely do not want to start mouthing off about how you meant to kill the worthless SOB because he was doing whatever act when u caught him. Keep your mouth shut.
        Lastly when u take someone’s life you will need to seek counseling to deal with all the thoughts going through your mind. Yea I’ve heard it from the toughest cops on the force how they will blow someone out of their socks or pop a cap in their ass. These same cops have ran down the street and hid behind cars afraid to come out until the shooting is over. Larger police department have people on staff that help their officers after a shooting and could recommend someone in the private sector you could talk to. Most State Attorney Generals offices have victims assistance department that may be able to provide some professional counselors to help you also. Remember anyone you tell your story to can be called as a witness to impeach your testimony at your trial. Taking someone’s life although necessary in certain limited circumstances is not a macho he man thing like it is portrayed in the movies and TV. Pray you never have to do it.

    • christopher

      February 18, 2017 at 6:55 am

      not in the least! why give them a advantage? if you believe your life is in danger you want all the advantages you can get. even a stray bullet or riccochet can still end your life. i dont know of any state that requires you to announce your are armed before using deadly force…when you see their eyeballs go like saucers, you will know you have the edge.

    • Bolofia

      February 21, 2017 at 8:43 pm

      You should also consult the laws of your state. A county or state prosecutor might interpret a verbal warning issued by you as an indication that you could have safely removed yourself from a threat.

  5. christopher

    February 18, 2017 at 7:03 am

    i say, buy enough as you can safely store,. right now prices are back down to normal and ammo is avaliable… buy a little at a time, when you can afford to (because in 4 years, things could be different again!). if you do buy older ammo, make sure you clean your weapons asap due to corrosiveness of the ammo. if you reload, I would recommend something like Markron bullet & primer sealer if your going to store underground or in wet or damp places. buying in bulk is a bit more cheaper if you can afford it, if you cant, then buy when on sale a box or 2 at a time.(just try not to shoot up more than your buying! LMAO

  6. Bolofia

    February 21, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    I hear you. I bought a couple of “new” 1950’s era SKS 7.62X39 carbines a few years ago for about $150 each. This is the Yugo model that is equipped with a grenade launcher. They were armory new, never fired, and packed in cosmoline. After three weeks of cleaning and bleaching the wood stocks, I refinished them. They are now beautiful firearms and provide pretty decent accuracy. The current market price for a “used” SKS has now reached $450, so the investment was well worth it. The moral of the story is that you need to look for firearms that are in quite good condition and that are serviceable for the long term. These SKSs aren’t my primary “go-to” firearms, but I know that they unquestionably reliable.
    One method of storage is to coat the firearm in petroleum jelly and vacuum seal it using a Food Saver roll
    . Then place it in a capped PVC tube of appropriate dimension, along with gel silica packets and extra ammo. The tube can safely be buried in a location known only to you and God.
    I think it is vitally important that a buyer of “cheap” backup firearms gets to thoroughly know the weapon. Some day, their life could depend on it.

  7. Pasifika

    April 7, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    My goal is to have 5,000 rounds of ammo for each gun. Ammo is going to be currency when SHTF.

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