Going “Green” Instead of Being A “Prepper”

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The “green” movement can cover a lot of our preparedness interests and purchasing habits, providing a degree of OpSec and cover for us. Conservationist and environmentalist are commonly bad words in some preparedness folds, but as a professional greenie myself (certified conservation landscape designer, landscape architect, permaculture designer, Critical Areas Act consultant, and ecosystem restoration management) I can tell you we’re not all that bad. You may find that it is wiser to couch your actions by going green instead of broadcasting you are a prepper.

And sometimes, preppers and greenies are already kind of walking in lock-step. We just don’t always realize it.

Two sides of the same coin

Think about Ducks Unlimited. There the nice people are, wandering around slapping mosquitoes, risking bashed thumbs, to help the pretty little wood ducks out by building them houses and nailing them to trees, replanting marshes.

All kinds of fairly liberal news organizations and viewers go “awwww, yay, look!”

Then half the Ducks Unlimited crew is out there come frost and low cloud cover, and this time they’re hauling long-barrel shotguns, salivating over the idea of roast duck and duck-fat potatoes.

They protect the environment. They work hard to save waterways, marshes, and the woods-water edges from development. They fight up and down to keep loggers away and make sure chemicals don’t get dumped. They lobby and garner support to prevent a performance stage that would increase human traffic and noise during nesting, breeding and duckling seasons. They get a motor boat restriction.

These are typically things we attribute to the “progressive”, “liberal”, “tree-hugger”, “left” of society. But the hunters, so usually on the “right” end of the social spectrum, are right there with them.

They reap the rewards of the habitat they’ve saved and created, not just for the wood ducks, but for all kinds of waterfowl, upland birds and small game. So do all the other critters near the water, and a lot of humans. If a prepper lives near those waterway edges, they benefit, too.

Both sides are in there, fighting essentially the same fight with the same positive results, although with a different motivation.

We can take advantage of the same kind of socially conscious “left” justifications, movements, interests and acceptance to hide or advance our preparedness.


How do tree-huggers and preppers line up?

In our bids to withstand a disaster of various magnitude, we buy into old and new technologies that limit the amount of fossil fuels we burn, turning instead to renewable resources.

We learn new and incredible ways to grow year-round, in all climates, using renewable systems that limit reliance on factory-produced chemicals and oil-burning equipment. In doing so, we contribute to saving the heirloom crops of our parents, grandparents and forbears.

We learn ways to have livestock work for us, feeding themselves as they produce a byproduct we can use. We let them be our tools instead of burning more fossil fuels, have them clearing brush, mowing and tilling or hunting down garden and crop pests, or protecting the small livestock from any predators that will fit in a pig’s mouth.

We refine and develop and apply more and more techniques for capturing rainwater, storing it, and directing it where we can use it, instead of letting be wasted and channeling it as fast as possible – with faster water carrying more sediment and chemicals – away from our homes and into our waterways.

Urban, ‘burbs, or rural living, condo to barren bug-out location, the things we invest in to go off-grid commonly result in consuming less chemicals, destroying fewer woods and forests, and polluting less air and water.

Likewise, when we stash or salvage something for a project, we can justify it from the less-waste, reduce-reuse-recycle perspectives of an environmentalist. (Soda bottle or discarded window collection, anyone?)

Our neighbors see gun cases and range bags because we practice to ensure clean, humane hunting (doesn’t matter what’s actually in them).

Gardening for the good of all

We install that rain catchment system and the mulch bed or edimentals (edible ornamentals – an actual bearing peach tree, edible flowers and unusual greens, beautiful amaranth, and colorful chard) or our woodland rain garden (of wild edibles). We limit the rainwater runoff from our roof, pollution from lawns, and limit our draw on the aquifers amid this growing national drought, and we provide pollinator forage in there with our landscaping or a little urban or suburban oasis for wildlife.

Yeah, we make food. Maybe you say so. Maybe you pretend your lavender, garlic chives, candle peppers, scarlet beans, and purple cutting lettuce are just more pretty plants. Maybe you point out that your new white willow will soak up some of that soggy spot in the lawn, but don’t mention that it’s a medicinal and rabbit feed out there with the lilies and container-grown cattails and the blueberries and aronia that are going to be stunning in autumn.

We learn the old ways of food preservation to take advantage of seasonal produce. We do so to limit our reliance on commercial products, but in doing so we also opt out of a culture of disposable food containers, and the mines and factories that produce those, the chemicals used in processing and growing the foods and containers, and the fossil fuel used in shipping a can of tomatoes fourteen times before we buy it and drive it home.

See, when we buy into self-sufficiency, we really do create a better world, regardless of our primary motivation.

That means we can go forward and “hide in plain sight” without telling any lies when we use an environmental justification for our interests and projects. We just need to apply those happy “green” catchphrases.

We might even convert one of our ultra-liberal neighbors who would have run screaming from the idea of “prepping”, because they’re introduced in baby steps that don’t challenge their norm and sense of security. That makes for a more resilient community, because it’s not all on our backs. We’re not alone.


Expanding our skills and knowledge resource pool

Being a greenie instead of a prepper, we no longer have to be super sneaky about how and where we learn our skills. We’re a “safe” kind of freak in the public’s eyes now. Without OpSec breathing down our necks, we open up the pool of people we can learn from.

We’re not limited to other preppers and survivalists, and the horror of arranging a meetup. We can just be hobbyists and practitioners because we’re interested in one thing – among other things.

We can now openly learn individual aspects from topic-specific practitioners. Hunting and reloading from hunters and trappers. Fishing from anglers. Livestock from those who have it. Canning from canners. Sewing from sewers. HAM and SSB CB from radio ops. Gardening from gardeners. Foraging from foragers. Bug-Out from through packers. Shooting from shooters.

And a real bonus is, unlike preppers, a lot of enthusiasts want you to come look at their babies and see what they do.

If we net ourselves a permaculturist or modern homesteader we looked up from a blog or met at a fruit stand or the farmer’s market, whoa, jackpot. We might get a whole load of knowledge about multiple fronts all in one sweet spot, OpSec still secure.

The truth but … maybe not the whole truth

You might not give a hoot about an island of plastic in the middle of the Pacific, starving polar bears, or the loss of forest in the Amazon. But these are unassailable facts. We can compare coverage maps, see them in video footage. This makes them “safe” – like the truth of fecal-oral disease risks following a flood.

You can use those facts and others in conjunction with your own activities when asked. Most people will draw their own conclusions when they’re sprinkled in there together.

Say we’re running around salvaging things to build a cold frame for greens, cabbage beetle and bird exclusion frames, maybe a vertical pallet garden and drip irrigation, maybe window lettuce towers, and somebody finally asks about it.

There’s a major drought in California and we pump water faster than aquifers and reservoirs refill. Chickens spend their lives packed into tiny cages that are barely big enough to lift their heads all the way. We want to grow our own broccoli and strawberries, and have some laying hens. We’re not buying it in one shot at Lowes; there’s an island of trash in the Pacific already, sheesh.

Ohhhh. You’re a … whatever it is.

“I’m not an extremist or PETA or anything like that, we’re still buying stuff from stores and all, but…” *Shrug.* “Every little bit, right?”

Huh. Yeah. Every little bit. Right. Okay.

Every word is true. Every statement is one of those fact-truths, not any type of twisted science. You may not actually care about the quality of life for a laying hen in Big Ag production, but you can still share the fact. They can draw their own conclusion.

You are, again, a “safe” kind of freak, the kind that hugs trees. Not the scary anti-government kind that was just on the TV. And if you really want to make them go away, try to convert them to your newfound interest, environmentalism. Many will start avoiding you.

Mission accomplished.

OpSec takes over our brains

We tend to want to learn new skills and complete projects because we’re motivated by the disasters we foresee. We learn OpSec early in preparedness, and we understand that it hamstrings us in some ways – like forming networks and groups. We just can’t seem to cut the cord, though.

We don’t want to become a target for thieves now. We don’t want somebody to know and remember us and become targets later. So we don’t talk about preparedness-related things. Good OpSec.

But sometimes we forget that other people do these things we do, too. A lot of them do the same or similar just because it suits them. This is their hobby or passion. Gardeners, scrapbookers, home births, shooters, radio types, model builders, homeschooling, scrap metal sculptors, hunters, knitters – it takes all kinds.


Reenactors are a good example of a “group” who we can learn a fair bit from about off-grid living.

We also forget that we don’t always have to share our interest as being motivated by preparedness – or our newfound reason for going green. We forget that we can say “I’m interested in” or “I want to learn” because we are interested and want to learn. We forget that we can just shrug our shoulders when asked “why” and say, “I just am. It’s interesting.”

Reenactors are a good example of a “group” who we can learn a fair bit from about off-grid living. They just like to pretend to be from a time before electricity, the way some people like to paint and some people collect stamps.

Use that. Just be interested in something.

If we’re not comfortable with that, really feel like we have to have an explanation, there’s always the greenie option. We don’t even have to talk about self-sufficiency unless we hunt down a homesteader or permie. “Environmentally motivated” does the job.

The Safety Net of a Greenie

Hiding in plain sight doesn’t always work, but it can, when done right.

We’re in a major upswing where sustainability and environmentally friendly are things that are viewed as relatively common if not normal, and even laudable by a lot of society. “Environmentalist” covers a lot of our crazy projects, and can be used to explain away some of our activities.

You’re on your own coming up with a “green” explanation for that chest carrier and all the AR furniture with your spouse and in-laws, but there are regularly eco-friendly benefits to lot of our purchasing habits, if they’re done smart. Just try to stay away from the polarizing types like PETA and Whale Wars. Most of us greenies aren’t really like that. We “normal” eco-freaks tend to want to make them go away as much as we do the people who get twenty paper napkins at McDonald’s, use three, and throw the whole wad away. (Used napkins are recyclable and compostable, BTW.)

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  • BobW

    Wow. An excellent article. A ton of good thoughts here that should, nay…must be thought through seriously. One of the best articles I’ve seen on prepping across multiple forums. Informative, interesting, but not preachy.

    I have long avoided the label of ‘prepper.’ Those guys are whack jobs. While some are a lot less wrong than others, the label brings stigma in most main stream populations. The label fits me as well as the neighbor’s tinfoil hats.

    I firmly believe in preparing my family for a rainy day. Just what that rainy day is matters not. Be it a forest/wild fire, flooding, tornado, blizzard, or thermonuclear war matters not. Its a lifestyle shift from rampant consumerism to a more homestead based lifestyle. We still work jobs. Our kids still go to school. But when the work day is over, we come home to our quiet, peaceful oasis, far removed from the bustle, and crime of the big city.

    • R. Ann

      Thank you. You’re very kind.

      I’m one of those who already was a “P” before the word became mainstream and associated with the extreme side. There are benefits to the media attention (growing ranks, growing ranks = more research and readiily affordable long-term storage options, especially). It’s not something I want broadcast, though, both for the possible preconceptions and the OpSec.)

      I agree with you on being ready in tiers. Seems like “we” regularly forget how much happens without the world, nation or state actually stopping, however personally or regionally devastating an event can be to us.

      • BobW

        While I think about the different disaster types, and the risks to my people, I honestly never thought about it as tiered readiness.

        If you have 3mo or 1yr worth of supplies, that’s great. What will you reasonably have left after a F-5 touches down in your neighborhood? I suppose its the former military training, but I look at it in terms of exposure and risk management. Are your supplies safe from likely risks? Break-ins, hurricanes/tornadoes/flooding/rockslides/blizzard are all general risks I see people needing to think about. EMP is a separate and distinct issue, as is war, marshal law, civil war, etc.

        Each potential scenario must be thought through individually, as each carries their own risks. The military has some good tools for evaluating risk.

        • R. Ann

          I apply the term “tier” to cover several things. From the acute, sub-acute and chronic risk assessment used for operations and personnel for physical harm and various exposures, to the likelihood of occurrence or an event. I also use it to umbrella personal zone risks – today, car kit for puncture and CCW, plus EDC, plus get-home kit and cache(s) that apply to being able to get home during and after a crisis of any level, and to being able to get in during a cordon and get my pets back out.

          Those zones expand from daily attentiveness and readiness to the super-common, everyday individual events – hiking problems, job loss, personal injury that affect my lifestyle – out to the local and regional daily, seasonal, annual and semi-regular occurrences (like those storms), and then outward to the greater zones yet of nation-shaking events and the potential of total-shutdown events. How I react to a major spreading wildfire and a housefire are different, and the daily “today” plan differs from a no-radio-forecast world.

          Most scenarios cover some similarities – power loss, supply shutdown, information stoppage, isolation reactions – but in the drive to do and see and prepare, it seems like a lot of people neglect the Zone 0-1 occurrences and the lower tier risks. It seems like beginners get slapped with these enormous expectations by those of us who live a certain way and have our 18-36 mo. need-nothing levels, and like an awful lot of people ignore the everyday “you need to still pay mortgage/rent, chances are good you’re going to need a retirement plan, floods and household fires eat people’s lives right now with all the technology and resources at our disposal” situations.

          Or maybe it’s just that fire extinguishers and fire breaks, putting aside cash/PM/whatever for job loss when insurance, hospital visits and taxes still need paid, and seeing ourselves at 70-90 y/o just isn’t as sexy as talking about our EMP boxes, $1K gun and rig, and rabbit hutches.

          Just nice to see the various lower-tier, localized and personal risks and disasters get a moment of play, however we term or arrange them in our planning.

  • Huples

    Very, very smart article. Prepping for most scenarios is a return to green living (or else you die).
    I support a few green organizations as I’d rather my prepping stays for fun and not for life (however I do feel ten years from now at the most I’ll be darn glad I like prepping).
    One thing I’d add is biking and canoeing. Both are green, make you fit, and could be very useful if shtf happens.
    Best article of all since I started here. Awesome job! Write more please

    • R. Ann

      Thank you, that’s very sweet.

      • John

        Well not green really. You use what you can to the best of your ability, or you die. Not the same as “green”.

        • Huples

          Kind of is John. Take as little as possible, reuse/renew as much as possible. Living as sustainably as possible with your local nature

          • John

            While recycling is green, it is not at all the point. You use what is there. If you have coal in abundance, use coal. If you have oil, use oil. If you have wind use wind.
            Survival isn’t about being picky, it’s about understanding the resources around you, and using those resources in the best (efficient, practical, etc) way possible so those resources are not wasted.
            Thriving is being even better and making sure you have a clean environment that has those resources for generations. BUT, that is different than strict survival.

    • John

      Well not green really. You use what you can to the best of your ability, or you die. Not the same as “green”.

  • montanalivin

    Awesome article, I often refer to myself as a gun toting liberal, and buy organic/natural as much as I can. Wish I could find a prepping site w/ a similar outlook. I always feel that I don’t quite fit in.

    • BobW

      While I wound never use the “L” word in labeling myself, I understand what you are saying. Dr. Henry has put together a pretty diverse group of contributors here, that seem to cover the gamut of possible viewpoints. Not every article will tickle your fancy, but I’d bet that there is something in most every article that can make you think. That is after all, the principle reason for the site. Making people think, even if its near-violent disagreement with an author’s thesis.

      • Thanks for pointing that out Bob! I do believe that often preppers get painted into a box of the camo wearing militia types who are scanning the shortwave frequencies waiting for another Ruby Ridge. We do have some aspect of that in our ranks but there are so many other viewpoints and concerns that get overlooked.

        I was just asked for an interview by someone writing a research paper and when asked about the Prepping Subculture, this is what I said. “No, I don’t consider Prepping as it is portrayed in the media as accurate and enough to warrant a whole subculture. I see so many parallels between prepping and so many other trendy movements that receive a lot less derision. Preppers are also interested in being more self-sufficient, of knowing where their food comes
        from (buying local) , gardening and alternative energy. Preppers are into so many of the same things that stereotypical liberals (hipsters really) are but we have a slightly different ideology. Maybe it’s the guns… But I think we are all looking at ways to be healthier, smarter and make better choices for our families. There are probably more people engaging in all of those behaviors together that make us a larger more diverse group than we are portrayed.”

        • Huples

          Very true. I’m social democrat and far left of almost everyone I know. Does not mean I expect the Government to help me at all if civilization falls or a flood happens.

    • R. Ann

      I like to tell people that I’m an Independent because I hate both sides of two-party systems equally. : ) There are some prepper forums that concentrate on the gun-toting side, and others that sprinkle it in because users are interested in the self-sufficiency aspects Pat mentions, where self-defense, home-defense and retreat-defense are only one wedge in a wheel that lets us roll along smoothly in sunny skies or dark storms.

      I like the balance here that BobW mentions and that you can see in Pat’s articles. It’s always interesting to see the voting numbers on various articles, although it’s not the click count. Kind of shows where interests (at least, the strong feelings) lay.

  • John

    First and foremost, thanks for having an article for public consumptuon. It is always beneficial to have them whether we agree with their points or not, ad it makes us think. So again, thank you.
    I did like that this article made a point of indicating that there are some immediately practice things that can be done in the first part of the article. I liked that the author knew that hunters are being a part (though in truth the largest amount of revenue the government receives for protecting the environment is from hunters in the form of taxes from their licenses, and taxes on guns and ammo.) of the effort to conserve the environment. It isn’t often that that particular piece of knowledge is known.
    I didn’t like that the author is attempting to say that the use of alternative is “green”. Now, I understand what she is attempting to say, but solar panels require rare earth metals that are only found in enough quantity when open face strip mining. Similarly, wind farms produce a drastic reduction in avian populations when put in, as the bird populations are struck by and strike, the propellers. As such, I can’t agree with the term environmentally friendly.
    I thought the case being brought forth about Opsec was overstated. The brightside was that there was some accuracy about other people doing a lot of the same things we do for completely different reasons, but unfortunately the author seems to think that means we abandon Opsec. Which is absurd and ridiculous. At best.
    My final complaint was the pushing of the, as the author says, “greenie” mentality. The article almost came off as a political piece. It didn’t cross that line, but it nudged it a significant number of times.
    All in all, I thought that it a bit of a wash. There were some good parts, some bad parts.

    • R. Ann

      By all means, do not abandon OpSec. The points there – with multiple examples – was that we can hide our preparedness brains under a “green” hat, creating a reason that allows us to openly do things if we feel like we need to have a reason to do them. Unfortunately, because of OpSec any number of people won’t have a conservation landscaper or designer come out to help them figure out the best locations for swales, windmills, watermills, and orchards, won’t seek help in designing efficient, cooperative animal-crop systems either backyard or large scale, and are so far gone they don’t even want to take a Refuse To Be A Victim class, go to an Appleseed or Hunter’s Safety course or join a multiple-distance, multiple-target run-and-gun club – or any shooting course or event.
      OpSec has its place, but it sometimes gets blown out a little.
      Instead of seeing it as abandoning OpSec, perhaps consider using an environmentally motivated justification for something AS an arm of OpSec.
      But please, still lock doors, keep security panels out of outside eye line, and be smart about what gets shared at regular watering holes and on social media. They’re just as important (if not more so) than making sure nobody knows we’re pressure canning or composting.

      Not sure where the solar panels and wind farms bit came from. I never mentioned them – or large-scale river-damming for hydro or irrigation channeling.

      Sorry you found it political – presumably more political than the pro-con between coal-enhancing solutions in waterways and fossil fuel air pollution versus 5-10 year panels and batteries (or Prius batteries and efficient diesels). Since you’re well informed, SERC and some Swedish designers both (individually) have some interesting data coming in about next-gen wind production. They might be something worth pursuing in backyard and homestead scale if you’re looking for an alternative to the types of passive design applications being resurrected from our past and applied again.

      • John

        You know, you might have a point about the opsec, but I still come in on the opposite side of things. Perhaps I have missed opportunities by having what some might consider excessive Opsec. On the other hand, I have also avoided an unknown amount of informants that I didn’t intend to alert.
        You point out some possible things that might have been missed. On the other hand, (taking your hunters licensing course as a case in point) if I lived in NYC, trying to find that thing in the city would be more of a tip off than the missed opportunity was worth. So, rather than make sweeping declarations about how it is too much Opsec, you need to confine it to more general things about not letting good educational opportunities go to waste. Which you did not do in your article. As such the point remains valid as expressed.
        As for the alternative energy sources, it comes (as stated) from the need to maintain energy sources when you were talking “green” and I was pointing out that informed individuals would understand that the “green” energies have their own issues. Some of those issues are that they are environmentally destructive, or are a much larger plan than putting them down on paper.
        Now, I will give you credit for bringing up additional means of energy production that are greener, long term than fossil fuels. Specifically you mentioned the hydro electrical and the wind mills as power. However, once again, it was not in the article, and would be a part of “green” prepping. So that point remains valid as well.
        And, don’t presume. I found this article political. If I saw something that was pushing coal or oil as the way to go, I would consider that political as well. The degree of such would be how much those were pushed as the way to go.
        As for their destructive power, actually using those methods ARE more destructive, and let me explain why.
        1. The technology that is encompassed by those panels and batteries are rare earths. Rare earth metals are in traces. Which means they get strip mined. That means miles and miles of open pit mine, with all vegetation and wildlife and water courses removed. ALL.
        2. Given that the method of that mining is strip mining, the vehicles they use are enormous to accommodate the load sizes needed to be actually harvesting the metals needed. Those are usually (but not always) gas gusseling oil machines. In which case you are STILL using that oil you are trying to avoid.
        3. The smelting process takes very fine coal to produce the needed twmperatures. Once again Fossil Fuels.
        4. Comparitively speaking, oil wells, even when being drilled, are minimally invasive to the ecology. Far less impact than the process to acquire the rare earth metals needed for those panels and batteries you’re talking about in your rebuttal.
        5. With natural gas, there is a far higher risk of explosion and damaging equipment and people. And, should they not suffer an explosion, they still do more damage as they off vent the left overs after each weeks production. Trust me, I live in the middle of the oil and natural gas fields of the USA. They do NOT just let left over oil be spilled because it’s cheaper to do that than harvest it.

        Now, all that being said, I am actually trying to find a method (I am not mechanically inclined enough personally) to rig a small wind mill up to a battery bank to charge the batteries, and then the batteries to the well at my house. The windmill itself I can do. The electrical parts not so much.
        However, those are still aside from the fact that it was a political post, whoch I still don’t like on TPJ. My point stands here too.

        • R. Ann

          “As for the alternative energy sources, it comes (as stated) from the need to maintain energy sources when you were talking “green” and I was pointing out that informed individuals would understand that the “green” energies have their own issues.”
          — You may be mixing up my article with somebody else’s on this front.
          The only times I specifically mention any alternative to fossil fuels, I point out applying intelligent design – such as 4S’s for water and having livestock work instead of fuels – with the intention of reducing or eliminating non-renewable energy draws entirely. I do point out a source for learning skills from a time before electricity. Until you brought it up for discussion in the comments, solar and wind farms never came up.

          I actually purposefully stayed away from solar, various
          types of batteries, and alternative fuels in the article (besides having animals, plants and terra sculpting do work for us) because – like “just” recycling materials – they tend to be polarizing and debate worthy. I didn’t even dip a toe into specifics of old-is-new technologies and passive design techniques to avoid some of the debate about any single facet there and the upset some people feel about them and the “define renewable” debate that turns so personal and angry sometimes.

          Even so, the article is also about perception. Which is why I pointed out, “you don’t have to give a hoot”. Nor was it intended to be all-inclusive (“’Environmentalist’ covers a lot of our crazy projects, and can be used to explain away some of our activities.”).
          It provides an option besides

          A.) blatantly ignoring questions (which actually attracts attention and leads to gossip and speculation),

          B.) doing nothing (which is doing nothing),

          C.) seeing any conventionally accepted “green” or hobbyist activity as only a preparedness interest (limiting our willingness to be associated with that activity, like gardening/canning or limiting fuel use), or

          D.) admitting to being a “prepper” (which has all kinds of connotations).

          It’s an option, relating to perceptions and endgames. That’s all – presenting an option that may apply to some or a lot of the ‘burb and rural homestead interests, and in some cases cities as well.

          I’m sorry to hear that your city/state isn’t conducive to applying any “green” initiatives to serve as cover for your preparedness, and that you can’t project an interest in any “hobby” that will also forward your preparedness goals and personal skills. That’s unfortunate.

          Good luck in developing those skills and resources on your own. It can be a challenge when you’re that limited.

          • John

            I’m not confusing your article with anyone else’s. I was pointing out the flaw.
            As you aren’t really reading what I am saying, be informed I’m not continuing to read your posts. I find it a waste of time.

            • Huples

              Question for you John. Do you feel climate change is human caused? If the answer is no then I more clearly understand your points being raised.

              Of note without fossil fuels all green alternatives cannot be made, transported, or supported. That is why it is vitally important to get them in place before refineries stop deliveries.

              As for politics there is none at all in the original article. Supporting using alternative energy sources for a prepper is not pushing any specific political viewpoint. Discarding them and going fossil only is very much pushing a specific political viewpoint. Climate change is human caused and is ending the Earth as an inhabitable place and rapidly. Science versus belief I’m afraid 🙂 I think both of you are 99% together and are arguing about something not really related to prepping.

              Oil drilling is minimally invasive? I guess fracking is also a minimally invasive thing? Oil drilling is not strip mining but reusing rare earth metals can and should be done to reduce mining. Basically everything we use no matter our politics is going to run out very, very soon so get prepping for that as well as a sudden collapse.

              Anyhow I do not debate these things. No point as the science is well clear. However do not point to an article and claim it is political when your counter points are very much political!

              • John

                Huples, your initial question is completely off topic. As such I will inform you it won’t be answered, as it is a logical fallacy.
                As for whether or not it was political, I think you need to reread my original comments. You will have the answer to that quibble there.
                Edited for a typo.

  • not so sure

    I just can’t side with the greenies. They harassed my dad when he was logging (tree spiking). They harassed me when I was deployed on a Trident submarine (green peace). Now they are building massive windmills (with blinking red lights) on all four sides of my house with my tax money. All they do is tell others how to live. We would be better off without them.