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10 Reasons Why You Do Not Want to Bug Out

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The plan seems simple doesn’t it? All you need for the best chance of survival for your family is a well-stocked bug out bag, a keen attention to your surroundings and careful monitoring of what is happening in the news. With these bases covered you will be a very informed prepper and will be able to get the jump on all of the clueless sheeple if something bad happens. You will load your family up with your bags and hike off into the sunset way ahead of the approaching death and destruction. You have a plan to bug out.

It sounds perfect, but in this article I am going to try and convince you how that might not be the best and first option you should consider. There are many reasons and situations I can think of why you do not want to bug out from your home. You may be asking yourself, how can I even say those words on a prepper blog such as this without getting struck by lightning? It’s true that hunkering down is not the option that gets the most press, but in my opinion during most (but not all) scenarios, it is the better choice. That is unless you are a combat trained Navy Seal. If you are like me, just an average guy with a family and a giant subterranean monster unleashed by nuclear experiments is not headed your way, you might want to stay put. Here are a few reasons why:

You live where your stuff is.

I’ll be the first to admit that a lot of these reasons are going to seem incredibly simple and obvious, but I think sometimes that is the best way to approach a problem. As a prepper you have probably started collecting some supplies to help you get through short and long term emergencies. Some of you have stored a TON of supplies because you have been doing this for a long time or else you are independently wealthy and you just blew up the Black Friday sales.

Even if you only have a week’s worth of food and water, that is nothing to sneeze at. Everything you have is stored probably in nicely organized bins for easy retrieval. You don’t have to carry it and the supplies aren’t subject to the elements. Leaving your home will make you potentially have to leave most, or all of your survival supplies at home. You could put them all in your best bug out vehicle, the diesel Ford F-250 with the trailer, right? Sure you could, but are you sure that truck will always be in your possession? It’s just better to stay at your home base because there are tons of advantages like…

Even your kitchen floor is more comfortable than sleeping in the woods

Some parts of Mother Nature are best appreciated when you can leave.

Some parts of Mother Nature are best appreciated when you can leave.

Yes, I know that some people sleep perfectly well in the woods and I can too, once I am exhausted from hiking all day. Honestly, you would have to agree that your old lumpy Serta Posturpedic mattress would be preferable to sleeping in the woods or an abandoned building or even a hammock. Why is that important?

Getting plenty of good sleep has a huge impact on our health. It not only affects your moods, but alertness and even immune system. In a disaster you will be stressed in ways you haven’t even considered. You may be working like a dog and having a comfortable and relatively safe place to rest your head, even if that is the living room floor will be an advantage that the people who think they can just bug out into the woods won’t have.

Built in Community whether you know it or not

In times of crisis, you can almost guarantee that communities will band together in some ways. You probably don’t consider your small neighborhood or dead end street a community but let some disaster happen and you will see humans come together for support, safety and to help each-other out. Being around even just a few neighbors who know you can give you advantages if you need assistance for things like a neighborhood security plan.

Even neighbors you don’t get along with will probably overcome grudges if the disaster is severe enough. Of course there is the potential that your neighbors could turn on you for being the lone prepper but I think in most cases, things won’t go Mad Max for a little while. If it does you will have to adjust, but I believe that most people would benefit by banding with their neighbors for support. You could have an opportunity for leadership here or compassion by helping out others who haven’t prepared. It is much better to strive for this kind of relationship with people than head out the door and face the world with only what is on your back.

Being Cold Sucks and it can kill you

I bet that most of you like to keep the thermostat somewhere in the upper 60’s to low 70’s during the winter. There might be some play in that range, but there are no thermostats outside. Whatever the temperature is outdoors is what you are going to be living with. Can you start a fire or wear warm layers to regulate your body temperature? Of course, but the last place I want to be on a cold winter night is huddled up in my sleeping bag under a tarp even if I did have a nice roasting fire beside me.

There are some situations where you wouldn’t be able to start a fire. Maybe if it was raining and you couldn’t find any dry wood or tinder, or there were people that didn’t look so friendly following you. Staying in your home, even without power can give you advantages of shelter that you won’t easily find outdoors. You can seal off rooms and even your body heat will generate a little warmth. You can black out your curtains with heavy gauge plastic sheeting and even the heat from a lantern or a couple of candles can put out an amazing amount of heat.

You may put yourself in a worse situation

The problem with most bug out plans are that you don’t have a destination. Where are you bugging out to? Do you think the National Forest is going to be reserved solely for you and your family? Do you think you will just set up a tent and start hunting for small game? In a large regional disaster, there could be millions of people leaving the cities. The concept is called the Golden Horde and they will be competing with you for natural resources. With even a few dozen hunters in the same area game will be depleted in days if not sooner. Then you will be stuck near a bunch of other hungry people who blame you for catching the last squirrel.

Being on the road makes you an easier target

One of the advantages of staying put at home is the home field or defenders advantage. When you go out, you do not know what you are walking or driving into. The best you can do is recon very deliberately which will only slow you down more. By staying put in your home, you can set up a neighborhood watch with your fellow neighbors and monitor who is coming in. This gives you the opportunity to set up defensive positions and plans that anyone walking in with thoughts of taking advantage of you, won’t be aware of.

If nobody knows you, you are a stranger

If the people in the town do not know you, they will treat you as suspicious, maybe even hostile.

If the people in the town do not know you, they will treat you as suspicious, maybe even hostile.

Have you ever been walking your dog and seen someone strange walking through your neighborhood? This was someone you didn’t know so obviously they fell under suspicion. Had they been one of your neighbors kids you would have recognized them, but this new person stuck out. That is what you will be faced with if you leave your home and go wandering through other towns and cities. In your home neighborhood you will be dealing with known people that you can grow a deeper relationship with. There is a built-in level of trust because they have lived near you for years. If you start walking into a strange town with your bug out bags and AR-15 slung over your bulletproof vest, you may not like the attention you receive.

Gear is heavy and a lot of gear is heavier.

Speaking of walking around in your bulletproof vest and gear, how many of you have walked for 3 days with your bug out bag? OK, now add a full complement of bullets and anything else you think you might need to defend yourself. It adds up quickly even when you try to reduce the weight of your bug out bag as much as possible. These weren’t meant to live for a long time out of. Your food will run out, possibly your ammo and that will help you with the weight, but in a disaster where you are walking out the door in full combat gear, do you think Walmart will be open when you run out of something?

In a grid down you won’t get to call AAA

Maybe you are one of the lucky ones that have a place to go up in the mountains. If you don’t get out before everyone else starts leaving, you could be stuck on the road. What if your old bug out vehicle breaks down? All those supplies you stored in the back of that trailer are either going to feed a lot of other people on the highway or you will most likely die defending them. If you aren’t already living at your retreat before the disaster happens, you will have to be incredibly fast to avoid getting stranded. Let’s say you are ready to go, do you know when you would actually leave? Do you know when the S has actually HTF and it’s time to leave or will you debate leaving with your wife and mother for two days because they think it will all blow over soon?

Leaving home may put you in a worst situation than staying put.

Leaving home may put you in a worst situation than staying put.

If you get hurt you want to be near a secure shelter not under a tarp

I have a decent first aid supply kit. I don’t have IV’s and a ton of medicine but I can take care of garden variety injuries pretty well. Imagine you somehow break your leg after the grid is down. Would you rather drag yourself into the house, or be stuck in the woods for weeks unable to move? Most hospitals don’t stick their patients out in the back yard for a reason so you will convalesce better with a good roof over your head that is hopefully providing some climate protections. If nothing else, it will be a relatively clean and safe place to get better that beats lying under a log.

So what does staying home mean?

I will write a post about reasons why you may have to bug out later, but staying home doesn’t guarantee you will be safe and secure either. I think each situation has to be taken into consideration as to what is the better option for you and your family. Naturally if there is a fire heading your way staying at home is stupid. It is something to think about that and that may help you begin to form different plans for different scenarios. What are your plans?

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  • porkybeans

    Bugging in means death, it’s that simple. Bugging out is life: It isn’t called TEOTWAWKI FOR NOTHING. Please watch a documentary called, YOU DON’T KNOW SHIT. Honestly, that’s the name of it. It is about the sewage treatment facilities in NYC. It follows one bowel movement through the treatment facilities before being dumped in the river. NYC has 14 megabig treatment facilities that contain millions and millions of gallons of sewage. They said that in the event of loss of electricity within two hours NYC would become a ghost town due to backed up sewage in the streets. Go figure. There is not one advantage to staying in your home unless you haven’t prepared yourself to stay in the woods with stashes of food and water. You are going to get people killed printing these types of articles. The broken leg thing: Well, in my home, unable to move to defend myself, totally at the whims of the Golden Horde…Naw, I don’t think so, I’ll just drag myself under some bushes with my weapons and stash with a good field of fire and wait it out, for better or worse, if that happens to me. And, by the way, a good pair of shoes will keep the blood suckers off of your feet. It was an ill contrived article. I am a former Army Ranger and I can state for a fact that no one needs any type of military training to survive in the woods. In fact you are much better off coming from a totally civilian background. Your mind won’t be contaminated with all the smoke and vapor gung ho stuff. A civilian mom and dad will be far more motivated to defend their family than a veteran following a flag. Civilians can and will be the bulk of the survivors on the other side of teotwawki, if they don’t take your advice seriously. No disrespect intended, but you need to wake the hell up, have a cup of coffee, and drastically reconsider your positions on surviving shft. And if can’t reconsider, then at least keep them to yourself!

    • Porkybeans,

      I must have really irritated you with these last two posts…

      We may have to disagree on this one also but I am sure others will chime in on one side or the other. You say there is not one advantage to staying in your home. Doesn’t that depend on where your home is and what the actual disaster is combined with how long it lasts? What about people who don’t live anywhere near New York and don’t have to worry about the poop storm you describe?

      So you are prepared to stay in the woods and you have stashes of food and water. How much? How long do you plan on staying in the woods? Also you mention waiting it out. How long do you plan to do that with your broken leg under a bush? What if the disaster was a nuclear attack? Would you still say running out into the woods was the only way to survive?

      I can appreciate you were an Army Ranger and can happily survive with broken legs in the woods for years, but your average soccer mom and her 3 small children can’t. To imply that the majority of untrained civilians will fare better in the woods is insanity to me. How often do you hear of people needing to be rescued from the woods?

      Let’s make a deal. I will keep writing articles and anytime you disagree with them, please feel free to comment. My mind has been changed before, but this time you haven’t convinced me.

      Thanks,
      Pat

      • porkybeans

        Nope, you didn’t upset me about anything. I was just stating what is ironclad fact. When involved in overseas rescue operations the people that survived were the ones who went into the woods and stayed there until the ‘anger management’ as I call it, resulting in sufficient deaths and injury, had ran its course in town and the inhabited countryside. To address some of your comebacks, especially Nuclear, all I can do is prep for that as best I know how and hope for the best. We have dug a bunker, by hand, have two years of food and water in the ground, a Geiger counter, clothes and other items, including weapons. Another issue is people being rescued from the woods or whatever adventure they were on. It has always disgusted me that people go to the ski slopes, deep into the woods for the weekend, or go 100 miles out to sea with a worn out boat, and then expect the taxpayers to foot the bill for them to be rescued. Conversely, the greatest feats of survival have been achieved by civilians that refused to give up no matter the odds. As far as being an Army Ranger, have you ever stopped to think just how much support military people have. We got paid very well, never went hungry, had supporting units, and could call for extraction when needed. Obviously there are enough flag draped coffins to attest to the fact that it didn’t always work perfectly, but the civilian that knows his/her local area, has thoroughly reconned their route, prepared, not held mentally in check by worthless military doctrine, and is determined to survive will be your worst nightmare if anyone attempts to rob him/her during teotwawki. Considering sewage, our local community does not have a backflow valve to keep sewage from running into our homes out of the commodes if the electricity does fail. They have backup generators, but when they are out of fuel we are screwed. You mention neighbors, and there is no way a non prepping neighbor is going to be your friend after teotwawki. If they won’t prep now, what makes anyone even consider they will do anything but violence when the lights go out. In a nutshell the problem with preppers is that they just can’t admit it to themselves that once the lights go out then life as we know it is over, and it is over forever. There will never be a better day. All a person can do is prep so that they can hopefully bottom out before they die and maintain a caloric intake that will keep them alive. But the threat of spontaneous violence will always be there, an ever present companion, if you will. And the only way to lessen the odds is to stay isolated by bugging out. Thanks and God bless.

      • sophiey

        I was assigned a case a homeless civilian suffering depression nothing major and one person lived in a big wilderness private park owned by a major company that would have security check the area daily no one ever saw this person that lived there for many years considered it completely safe. And I secured housing for this person they never ever turned on the heater they no longer needed it and could not stand living indoors in the city…some will quickly adapt in a stealth, way and go undetected for years, other will be over come by fear , shock and total break

        • I can understand how that is possible for a few individuals. It’s not too hard to hide in the wilderness from security guards who don’t really care. It is another thing entirely to be hiding when the rest of the city is out there in the wilderness with you trying to do the same thing.

          • Bill Harrison

            Thing is, I like your article, here’s why: It tells other people to bug in. That means less competition for those who bug out like me. Also, you put too much in the fact that everyone else will do as everyone else. There is an equal split between liberals and conservatives, even though each thinks they’re the best and everyone else should also be one. Same with bugging in and bugging out. Lots of people will do both. I want people to bug in, mostly because I dont want to share space and resources with the masses when I’m out in the woods.

            • Thanks for the comments Bill and I think you are right in that people will do all sorts of things. This was just my argument against those who say the only thing you can do is Bug Out. I don’t see that working for everyone.

    • rcbbuckeye

      I respect you being a Ranger and your service. However, bugging in or bugging out really depends on the circumstances, and your location. Not everyone can find a property somewhere where they can dig a bunker and buy food, guns, and whatever else. If I lived in NYC, yes, I would seriously consider finding a bugout location. I happen to live in a town of less than 10,000 people between 2 major cities. I considered trying to find a bugout location in the hill country in Texas. But, financially, that is just not feasible. Plus the fact it’s a 3-4 hour drive down there in normal circumstances. Where I live is a quiet street where I know the neighbors, and they are all family folks like me. I have shelter in my home. Some food and supplies, and the ability to defend. And, of course, they don’t know about my preps. To me, in most if not all situations, bugging in makes the most sense.

    • Peanut Gallery

      History has shown that refugee’s never fair well.

    • Dedi P. Putra

      Dude, I live in Indonesia, if S really HTF I choose to stay inside, at least for a month.

      you dont want to meet tiger or other hungry pack with big claws during your heroic journey , dont you.
      Or even worse to meet hungry pack with no claws , yess hungry human.

      Anyway , different place different play …

  • FreeSlave

    Everybody’s gonna choose their own way, and so fwiw, in the debate between Pat Henry and PorkyBeans, I stand firmly with Pat Henry. It’s not even close.

    • porkybeans

      Free Slave, you are entitled to your opinion, but what real life experiences in survival do you have. I’ve been there as a civilian, taken hostage in a foreign country and no I’m not talking about he stuff you see on TV. When the knock comes to your front door you will find out, just as I did, that you are already surrounded. You will also be amazed at just how quickly the neighbors you trutstedwill sell you out. That is exactly how they found me. I was able to come out with my life in 2002. Next time I’ll be in the woods, able to defend myself much better, and very much increase my chances of survival. I don’t know what is in your mind, if it is reality or just the way you think things will be. Either way Thanks and God bless..

      • Tinker Young

        I think porky beans is full of pork. As a dependent of a Viet Nam veteran, from my pov, he doesn’t sound humble enough to be a ranger and I think he’s just a Debbie Downer Troll! Somebody who sounds terribly depressed and wants to spread misery because misery loves company. So I’m outa here. KEEP ON PREPPIN’ <3 & Hugs

  • Mark

    I have to agree with Pat, everything depends on the situation at the time. If the SHTF right now and you are on the east coast or Midwest where are you going to bug out to? I have to disagree with Porkybeans that most untrained civilians can survive in the outdoors with no training, most people will be dead in a week because they have no idea what to do. If you live in a large city then you are pretty much screwed no matter what happens, if you can hole up long enough you may have a chance, but if the disaster is longer than a month the disease and looters will be the biggest problems. If Porkybeans would like to prove his theory then my challenge would be go into the woods, desert, swamp or what ever he lives by with nothing but what he can carry on his back for a week and live with a splint on his leg and a tack in his shoe for the constant pain of having a broken leg and let us know how he does.

    • Poopsicle

      Porky, if you live in a suburb, couldn’t a $10 shutoff valve on your own sanitary line in your house take care of your poop storm? The answer is yes. If you live in NYC, that’s a sanitary problem. To Pat’s point, it really depends on the situation. I would be best bugging in for a week before considering bugging out.

      • porkybeans

        Poopsicle, in a sensible world, yes a cutoff valve would do the trick. But let us never underestimate the power of the city. A permit is required, they will let only licensed plumbers do the job, and the total coast to cut the outside line and install the valve is just short of two grand. Saved by the government again. Thanks and God bless.

        • Gary Olson

          Are you telling me a well prepared person such as yourself does not know where the cleanout access to the central drain is located? Plug up the drain easy with some trash bags and a blanket.

      • Mongoose

        Or have the equipment to seal it. If local control goes down who gives a S***. Remove porcelain fixture cap and seal. There are plugs for drains pipes like toilets available, seal with epoxy, done.

        Have what you need to seal it from inside your home.

    • porkybeans

      Mark, certainly untrained civilians won’t be able to survive. I thot that is what prepping is about, planning the plan, and practicing the plan to perfection. As far as your smartass remark about me going into the woods with a splint on the leg and a tack in the foot…well here goes. If anyone goes in the woods with just what they can carry then they are dead very soon. That is why we have stashes, and lots of them. We also have medical supplies including surgical instruments and the know how to use them. All of you keep making it sound as if I’m asking people to just walk off into the woods empty handed and survive. Nothing could be further from the truth. What I am saying is to get your stuff out of the house and stash it underground where you and only you know where it is. That is a good bug out survival plan. As far as me being injured in the woods well I have been there done that. Was in a coma for nearly three full days and lost over 70 pounds before I got across the border into Uganda where there was food, medical supplies, and friendly people. Anyway hopefully some of you will hear these words of wisdom and apply them to your own preparations. But I believe the more I preach bugging out then the more most of you will close your mind to it. Therein lies the trap. However I do sincerely wish you the best and hope you survive. May Christ bless you in all things.

      • Pat, good article. Just a heads up, which you have already figured out by now, porky enjoys trolling from his keyboard. He’s one badass and will be the last man standing in any scenario. Just ask him.

        • Seymour

          Yeah, porky is too stupid to have been a ranger.

        • porkybeans

          Mr. Walker, stop labeling people. I never once claimed to be a tough guy or the last man standing. Troll: Badass: This is the labeling and it’s the last great bastion of ignorance. If you think you can survive in your home then go for it. Maybe it would be a good idea to consult with the inhabitants of Stalingrad, Berlin, Leningrad, Saigon, Petersburg, Va. circa 1864/65, Atlanta, Ga. 1864, Kiev 1941-45, and hundreds of others of which we can add any post-teotwawki American city. Try critical thinking, it works wonders!

        • Thank you very much for the compliments on the article Todd! Hope you are doing well.

          Pat

        • Chappy Gypsy Poynter

          Not true Todd Walker, I will be the last survivor, I’m Batman…..roflmao

      • Mike T

        Dear Porkybeans, please list your graduation date, battalion and op for Uganda? Since you are a Silver Star winner, I should be able to find you at Ft. Benning hall of fame right?

      • Mike T

        Uganda? Really? Were you in the SA bush wars?

      • Texasprepper

        Porkybeans I get where your coming from I did 8 years marine corp 4 infantry and 4 marsoc but the fact is some situations it is best to stay home. I live in a town with a population under 3,000 the biggest city near me is 2 hours away and it’s only a 30,000 population. Basically if you have the resources you need to stay home then yeah I agree stay with pat because let’s be honest a shtf scenario is a lot different than military. For the most part your average civilian won’t have the resources the government has and aside from that being home is a huge morale booster! And when the looters come who’s going to know the lay out of your home and your neighborhood better than you? I also stand by pat on this one. I do also have a bug out plan but it’s not my only plan.

        • Revolt to save America

          texas you are in a great situation to stay put, no doubt at all. I am 30 miles from Hollywood, suburbs of los angeles with 5million potentenially desperate and unprepared people, I don’t want stay here, I’d like to head 300 miles into Arizona. It would be a very dumb move to stay here if full blown civil unrest hit. Look at the cops in balitimore how they stood there, WE ARE ALL ON OUR OWN, and even the common man gets desperate when it comes to bank closures, losing jobs, no money, needing food etc…. my plan is lower populated area with water, river. I know los angeles, new York and Chicago, main highly populated areas are screwed, and if baltiimore didnt’ call in the national guards, imagine today, EVERY SINGLE establishment would be looted. There are many more people than there are cops, so,, yeah,,, I’m bugging out and I won’t do it last minute, and it is coming, and it’s coming big ,,,,,,, oct 2015 to 2017, in that range. Please keep sharing, I wish I had a top 10 survival items needed. perhaps next post in order of importants. thanks
          Cheri,, in so cal. ( native )

      • Bill Harrison

        “If anyone goes in the woods with just what they can carry then they are dead very soon.” Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah right.

        You overestimate gear. People have and still do live in the wilderness with much less than what they carry on their backs. For most people, yeah, but with a bit of skill you can thrive with next to nothing.

  • Joe306tow

    I do not understand why I have not heard of another option. I heard Stay at home, and hope your own neighbors don’t kill you and your family for a scrap of food. I have heard of Bugging Out into the woods, with or without “Stashes” of food, weapons, and medical supplies set aside ahead of time. Of course, who says someone else won’t find your stashes before you do. But, I have NOT heard anyone offer a third option. That being a Bug Out Bunker. A safe space attached to or under your yard, home or nearby. People build Tornado Shelters, Safe Rooms, and other areas all the time, even in Suburban Subdivisions. But, I have not seen any post that suggest that you could build said Bunker, and stock it with everything you need. One could make this Bunker, so that even if your home was burnt down, you and the family would still be safely isolated from Riots, and Mayhem.

    • porkybeans

      Seymour, if graduating second in my class at Ranger School, Ft. Benning, Ga., and bring home a Silver Star from Vietnam makes me stupid then I gladly wear the title. Have a good day son.

    • Peanut Gallery

      Most people I know don’t have the kind of money it takes to be able to build such a structure.

    • Yikes. Cabin fever! o.O

  • porkybeans

    Joe306tow, this will be my last comment, but in parting, your bunker in the backyard is an excellent idea. We have one, hand dug, 4X8 which admittedly isn’t very big. We put enough inside to keep us for a few days while the radiation dies down, then it’s off to the woods [far away form the roads]. Please don’t depend on your bunker though for the longhaul. If your house was to burn there is a chance you and your family might suffocate if it is very close to your home. Mine is, we just don’t have a big back yard. Also you need to cover the top with 3′ of dirt so don’t go any smaller than 6X6s on top. Our walls are 2X6 attached to vertical 6X6’s on one foot centers. Pressure treated lumber only! Make sure you have ventilation. God bless and have a great life and you are in our prayers for teotwawki. Goodbye.

    • JustSayin’

      Hey Porky. If you lived near us, I would offer you a secondary location as a backup. Don’t waster your time with some of these knuckleheads. You know what you know, based on experience, so let these others figure it out on their own. They can’t comprehend at all what you have seen and heard. Let them go. They are not worth your words.

      • Revolt to save America

        Amen, PLEASE Let people talk here, please, thank you.

  • Greetings!

    On subject of bugging-out… there are a few options to bug-out with your home and all of your preps… As opposed to detailing it all here; I hope that Pat doesn’t mind my listing the links to articles related to each method:

    1)Living on your yacht and bugging out at the drop of a hat… well… most of you know I wrote a whole book about that one; THE NAUTICAL PREPPER… it’s about $12.00 and I think if you buy it from the link here at Pat’s site, he makes 25 cents, which can go towards a cup of coffee so he can keep writing all the good stuff {;-)

    2) Living in your RV and bugging-out fast… we tried this (really) and we could fully hooked-up at a deluxe RV park with pool, laundry sauna, you names it, and when it was time to go, we could be on the road rolling toward our next destination within 15 minutes! Here’s a link: http://www.myoutdoorbuddy.com/columnist/Capt-Willaim-E-Simpson.php

    3) This one is really old-school, but it’s a time-honored, well proven and still used today… horses! Yep! People still use horses to move freight over snow-covered mountain trails that would challenge a $100K snow cat that wouldn’t work anyway post EMP. Armies also use them to move men as well… here’s an article that covers that option: http://www.survivalbased.com/survival-blog/6558/transportation-during-a-grid-down-disaster/

    I think that both sides of the debate here have points that are valid in given situations. Folks in big cities have no choice except to bug out and take their chances. Folks in the country are best suited by bugging-in. For the most part, I tend to write about tactics and strategies that I have first-hand experience with… and true to that, we just acquired 150 acres in a mountain wilderness! I am writing a new book about Going Off-Grid, so we are living the project. Literally, living with lions, bears, deer and wild horses, all of which I view as important assets for survival if you’re bugged-in during TEOTWAWKI… I have used horses for hunting and they are awesome! You can sneak-up on big game easy and then after the kill, you can pack 300 pounds of meat out of a steep canyon and back home to the cabin 15 miles away!
    Here’s a link to my going OFF-GRID project: http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/kt-living-off-the-grid-starting-from-scratch/

    Cheers! Capt. Bill

    Capt. William E. Simpson II – USMM Ret.
    Semper Veritas / Semper Paratus

    http://www.WilliameSimpson.com
    IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6505899/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/NauticalPrepper

    • Revolt to save America

      if the roads are packed, such as leaving los angeles, a motor home wont work out too well, which brings another point, big city V little town, gas may be hard to come by,
      I’d say a second home somewhere, a place in the woods as plan 3 for me and a motor home incase it works, if you have the funds, prepare in all ways, we will see things we’ve never seen or cant imagine, for the civilian people. The old will die because they will just be there. Those who do not plan at all are screwed, please put a list together if you can as pork suggested, bunker at home ! !
      we really need to get down to the nitty gritty, Have a good day , get ready, 🙂
      Cheri in so cal. PS everyone thinks I’m crazy to prep, I know no one who is, big city idiot thinking, so I”m alone, I’m the outcast, so I need you guys here. TKX

      • Tinker Young

        Don’t fret CA Girl…people think I’m crazy too but at least we will be ready. Now where did i put that list of top ten things for prepping? Or was it top 7 steps? Friend me CA. Girl? We’ll compare notes. I live in N. CA.

  • OneWhoWalksFirst

    Capt. Bill! Great thought provoking article. I guess it would depend on the circumstances as to whether I would bug out or bug in. I do agree that for the average prepper that bugging out for any other reason than active street to street, door to door looting or CBR emergency would be very difficult if not impossible. So like yourself I have devised a method to move not just myself and my bug out bag to the country, I have a 5 ton US Army 6×6 cargo truck with a 12ft self contained truck camper mounted in the back. Where your yacht can move you and yours to safety on the sea, my land yacht can move me, my whole family and 3-4 tons of supplies to safety on land. I will remain in my home until I see a need to go, but if I need to go, then I will go prepared 😉

  • OneWhoWalksFirst

    LOL! Sorry Pat! I didn’t realize that Capt. Bill didn’t write this one! This is my favorite Prep blog by far, and dittos to your articles being great as well.

    • Thank you very much for the compliments and I hope you come back!
      Pat

  • mike

    if I lived in the city I would definitely if I lived in a big city I would have a bug out plan! living in the middle of no where we live practically off grid year around.
    I myself would bug in because of where I live, having ample water sources,wildlife, and security.
    even if there was a wildfire we have places on my property with buildings out of fire danger. point being everyone has there own situation and instead of telling people what they think is wrong it would be helpful just to give some advice and maybe we can learn from each other! especially the vets, everyone has not had the training like you have. people are not born knowing what you know, advise instead of insults go a long way! we are all on the same team! mcf emtII/ rescue chief bbf/la.

  • usmarinestanker

    Pat, you need to allow images in the comments section. It would make this much easier. My apologies to those readers on the fine wine-end of the age spectrum who might not be hip to internet culture, but any other website would have eaten porkybeans alive by now. Pat is a gracious host and kind person – truly someone to emulate. Fortunately, I do not suffer these character flaws.

    https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8424643840/h1BAD3C50/

    What’s with all the e-peen measuring?

    http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/good-good-let-the-butthurt-flow-through-you.jpg

    Porky, it’s one thing to disagree with an article or comments, but you’re ranting like a spoiled child not getting his way. Now I know the intertubes don’t do tone of voice and a lot is lost in translation by not getting the non-verbal cues such as body language, but your forum etiquette flat-out sucks, dude.

    When I read your angry posts I imagine you like this kid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8pR1rZZHEs) attempting to correct every conceivable wrong that your spidey sense-like hypervigilance detects.

    And attempting to explain away your lack of social graces by tossing out you were an Army Ranger doesn’t pay the bills either. I won’t question your service because I know plenty of other prior service hot heads that deal in absolutes like you do, but we’re supposed to accept your solution as gospel over anyone else’s ideas?

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    The beauty of the internet, and the intention of forums like The Prepper Journal and any sort of intellectually honest communication is the presentation of ideas to a host of minds whereby the mildew of ignorance and intellectual shortcomings are bleached away by the scorching sun of logic, multiple view points, and experience. The resulting product should be the best possible view of truth through a lens free of passionate bias, available for any mind willing to take note.

    Good article Pat. Bug-in vs bug-out is naturally situationally dependent. Keep up the good writing.

    • Thanks Matt!

      Just so you know and anyone else following this thread… I switched comment engines again. This will allow you to add images to comments, just click the small icon to the bottom left of the comment window. I don’t know how this will work, but we will monitor it and see how it flows. Obviously any really bad images are not going to make it through but I will have to see how this works.

      You still do not have an account to leave a comment so this shouldn’t remove the ability for anyone to comment on these posts. Hope this will be a good thing.

      Pat

      • Mike T

        Bugging in…better options then trying to run and gun.

        • Mike,

          Looks like you might have edited your comment, but I did not intentionally delete any comments. I migrated to a new comment engine so it is possible something fell through the cracks, but I didn’t mean to.

          Thanks,
          Pat

          • Mike T

            Cool, thanks!

            Subject: Re: Comment on 10 Reasons Why You Do Not Want to Bug Out

  • NRP

    Well, this turned out to be a disappointing read.
    Pat Henry, I always try to read your Articles with an open mind and follow everyone’s (porkybeans or whoever’s) comments and try to educate myself a little more from each.
    Unfortunately when some get their feathers ruffled it’s a lot easier to call them “stupid” and ask for credentials. And yes some get rather fluffed/puffed up, but, BUT when did the idea of being not allowed to voice ones opinion opt out? When did this page (comment section) turn Muslim where you will get your head chopped off if you disagree?
    If someone disagrees, than simply say so and add the reasons why (as most did). And yes porkybeans, IMO, got somewhat carried away defending himself, as others were down right rude to someone that was honest with their opinion.
    Unfortunately when both sides of a discussion gets to the name calling and shouting, than neither gains the respect of what they are trying to say.
    NRP

    • I think overall the comments were a pretty good discussion. Yes, there are some minor contentions but I don’t think we descended into full on arguing for the sake of arguing only. PorkyBeans had what seems to be a genuine difference of opinion and even went to great lengths to explain his points of view which I can appreciate. I don’t think I or anyone has all of the answers, so even disagreement about an issue can foster a good dialog that can change minds or flesh out details not expressly stated.

      Some survival blogs don’t even allow comments on their posts. While I appreciate their decision not to, I think facilitating a dialog like this is great, even with some trash talking on the side.

      Hey, we can do that over just about anything, so why not prepping?

      Pat

      • NRP

        Well I have to disagree with you Pat, I have allllll the answers, mostly wrong, but all the answers none the less. HAHAHAHA
        I was trying to point out the trash talk, there is never never a reason to call someone “stupid” in any conversation. I personally don’t give a flying fig if someone is completely “proven wrong” in their thinking, if it’s there thinking than ok. Have a discussion about it, don’t try to put them down with trash.
        Personally I have always been in the thinking that the first one that raises their voice, cusses, or starts the trash talk, loses the discussion. Period.
        My father had a wonderful saying—- “If I disagree with you, and you with me, than lets convince each other to change our minds, than we will both still disagree.”—- I guess it’s just to bad some people cant really have a conversation without name calling. That’s what is so disappointing in the section of comments.
        And to be honest I have not seen this on this blog before. That’s what is disappointing, maybe just a fly-by, but none-the-less.
        NRP

      • NRP

        Pat
        One last word if I may, I really like your articles, makes one actually think and consider the options.
        Please keep up the good work.
        Thank You
        NRP

    • Mike T

      NRP when one claims to be a Silver Star winner and talks about Ops in Uganda, only the sane would ask when and where. The average Joe doesn’t go off about winning the Silver Star. Any US Army Ranger who has been awarded such a prestigious award is usually inducted into the Ranger Hall of Fame. My question was a simple one since I take being prepared seriously and as a combat vet enjoy such discussions. Yet when I see such chest thumping I tend to call BS. If I am wrong and he truly is a winner of the Silver Star I will publicly apologize. To many Stolen Valors these days. Even more dangerous to pretend to have conducted such training/real world missions on a public forum for which many are trying to gain an education or information on how to better support their families.

  • Geo

    Isnt it funny -strange -weird- that everyone wants to split- I used to think this way also- Ive come to believe that it isnt necessary to do so but WISE is the word here- If your WISE watch all around u and start making mental; notes- Blend in if yer older look older not the other way around-I love it when i see older people looking younger and trying to act hip- this sucks cause yer the 1st to go because people will think yer crazy – Dont believe this ? then look around and maybe go to walmart hahaha -Seriously folks im not kidding here-The best way to hide is in the open- Yet this will get u out of the place u dont want to be in- Just slowly look around and if the Mr Marshall Lawe is there watch wht they do and go slow. WISE is the word here -Do not move fast. Do not eat city squirrel either as the rabies will be rampant- Country squirrel get fed wheat corn and stuff so yup they are good. Doves are good also- -I have a policy — I dont eat any meat that comes from the city- Yes i study the 1st WW and the 2nd WW and the all the others and yes they ate Horse meat so they will eat dogs -cats – mice and rats and birds-But my health is more important-Learn how to trap with a guitar string or just a good string- NO-ONE WILL DO ANY OF THIS —WHY????Because t he are all Baby sat by the great deciever the TV and the Computer- Get involved with camping- -fishing-walking- here is a tip—take a 1 inch pvc pipe about 4 feet long and glue a cap to the bottom- the fill it with stuff like fishing line and hooks in a plastic bag and seeds and maybe pills and vitamins and a small compass and stuff- Then paint it camp- and put a screw top on it OR just go to the Good Will store and look for walking sticks and do the same- See it isnt so hard- But U have to do it- not me or t he other guy-THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN STOP YOU IS YOU and what is crazy here is people will want a hand out- I wont do it when its time -I am doing it now -I will only help Pregnant women out because the are going to need help but cross me and ill leave you behind- WHY because it is not every man for himself but it is to help others but you cant do it if your in trouble -So watch and be wise-I like fishing -so i have my ways and i can fish beside u and all u will see is the fish i caught while yer there not the ones i will walk home with- I will have my pole but i will something else that will catch fish while i wait- Think about it and it only costs about a buck—I like this nets that u use for tomatoes and grow tomatoes on them now u have 2 uses- —- Think about it –1Pole and growing tomatoes – –ya something to think about-if i come right out and say it people will say im giving advice-Not to be mean but i had to dig for it also- No-one came out and told me-If it worth having working for it has pleseuer and u never forget how u got it–Blessings – and remember Phil4:13-19——

    • Faith

      And there are those of us who don’t have much of an option. I have 3 young special needs children and there is no way in hell bugging out would always be the best option for us in every situation. I can see myself pushing wheel chairs thru the woods. Yeah right. As far as survival chances we have a better chance where we are. I am prepared to bug out with difficulty if we absolutely HAVE to (fire sweeping our way, etc) but you are correct in stating that everything we need is right here. Having done nursing in remote parts of Haiti with no running water, no flush toilets, sleeping in the open with tarantulas crawling all over me I know my kids wouldn’t survive a situation like that. Bottom line is there is no perfect solution and nobody really knows what the correct solution for your family and area you are currently in will be until something actually happens. It’s all subject to change in an instant and you should be prepared to change with it. So in the meantime we prepare to the best of our ability and we are also developing community ties as there are strength in numbers.

      • Mike T

        Faith, even though my son is not special needs I can honestly say my wife and I have opted for bugging in. He is only three, but the elements are brutal in the winter and I couldn’t dare risk him to that. It is a hard decision none without consequences though. Good Luck!

      • Thanks for your comments Faith. Children are tough even without the challenges you mention. I can only imagine how much more stressful your situation would be and only hope that all of us never have to worry about anything like this.

        Pat

  • EgbertThrockmorton1

    Pat, EXCELLENT article! Well written albeit way too short. I completely agree, that for MOST of the general population, bugging IN, is by far a much better situation, that trying to “think” you have the capability of bugging out. While there are a great many self-anointed experts online these days, most of them are sadly convinced that their way, works for everyone. It doesn’t at all. That IS the reality, of most situations. While as a military veteran who has seen combat in SE Asia, (way back when, couldn’t imagine how tough it is in Iraq or Afghanistan), I’ve also managed to never have been “taken hostage” (prisoner), because of our training and experience.
    All that being said, most people have altruistic notions about “bugging out” that are fashioned by media outlets and gaming. We do not have the luxury of having “screenwriters” and do-overs in real life. Life is NOT at all like what we see on any screen,m never has been, never will be.
    For most, fortifying your current static position, with like-minded neighbors is far more realistic than the “romantic” ideology of us against the world. Most people will have to negotiate transit through very unfamiliar terrain (neighborhoods) where they cannot imagine the depth of depravity that exists in many of those demographics. Knowing the terrain, and your neighbors is FAR more defensible than the lack of knowledge that comes with “bugging out”. I don’t care how much of a legend in your own mind you are, knowing the terrain is far more survivable and thriveable, than trying to assume you have the capacity to be a tacti-cool commando. Well done, keep it up.

    • Thank you very much! I’ll try to make the next one longer 🙂

      Pat

  • Dan Moore

    I am set to hunker down. Wife is disabled and unable to travel. Besides I have about 200 pounds (not rounds) of ammo plus all the other stuff I would need to carry. Not possible.

  • Revolt to save America

    I live in the subburbs of los angeles and nearby major highways, I think if 5 million people riot , I don’t need to be here. Since I can relocate rather quick, I’m buying a second home 3 hours away. I’m simply too near a big metro area, 30 miles to Hollywood, and altho mountains separate us, I need to get further away, also near water. I will be looking for my 2nd home soon and will meet the neighbors and when things go crazy, be one of the first to leave. its a hard call but its a call we must take, and I’m talking TOTAL CIVIL unrest from perhaps a financial crash, banks closure, etc.

    • That’s very true. In a situation like yours bugging out might be the best bet and certainly if you have a 2nd home.

  • Thank you very much Cheri!

  • Doug Petri

    I have been outside in the area where I live in the Sierra mountains. It certainly CAN kill you, however, the tract home structures in my area are one molotov cocktail away from destruction. Even when standing, the finite resources once a grid down issue occurs will make staying in these structures unrealistic, and moreover harder to defend. I am more easily a target in a neighborhood where criminals can more easily roam. Neither is ideal.

    • Very true Doug, but there are always issues with each situation and mitigating circumstances. If shelter was needed and looters with Molotov cocktails weren’t a threat, wouldn’t staying inside be better?

  • Jeckyll

    Pat’s correct for sure. There are instances that you might have to leave considering your environment, but in most cases (unless you do live in a very densely populated city), staying in your own home is by far the safest and smartest way to go. Even in those “City” instances, where are you going to go. Most people can’t walk 5 miles before passing out. And, if everyone else has the same idea, good luck on even getting near the city limits.

    • Thanks Jeckyll, that’s my immediate plan anyway but most of prepping is planning for contingencies so we will be ready to go if we need to. I don’t even want to think of how bad it would need to get for me to leave.

  • Tinker Young

    Sometimes I’m so glad i live 5 miles out of town and two miles down a rough dirt road. We never have any company cause no one wants a flat tire. I live on a five acre farm in a small community. I prep for power outages mostly and usually only have enough water for two weeks. We have 9 lil doggies for company and only a 3 month supply of food. But we can grow more. I have bug out bags packed but hope we won’t need them. We have only one sleeping bag and a small truck. Where would we put it all? Best for us to just stay put. I’m trying to fix a couple spots for others of our family to bug out here. My bug out bags are pretty inadequate anyway, and my companions need me as much as I need them. I still need a generator for the well and fuel for it. And i’m sure i can think of other stuff, but we’re pretty blessed here.

  • Tinker Young

    Thank You to whoever wrote this post. I found it to be very comforting. Mostly because I have nowhere else to go. I have everything I need here to get along and I hope my family will come and see me if they need a place to bug out.

    • You are very welcome Tinker! Best of luck to you.

      Pat

  • Mig

    As a veteran of the British armed forces and a former Joint Services Adventure Training Instructor, I’d like to chime in…
    Digging in or Bugging out always depends on the situation at hand… if your home is getting flooded, is threatened by a wildfire, or is in the line of fire from an active volcano, etc… then bugging out obviously makes sense… but in a great many situations, digging in makes the most sense.
    First of all let us consider the rule of 3’s which are the requirements and limitations of human survival:
    We can survive:
    3 minutes without air
    3 hours without warmth and/or shelter (inclement weather)
    3 days without water
    3 weeks without food

    Digging in, depending on the situation, means that you are in a defensible situation, with ALL your gear and food, and as long as your home is mostly intact, you have shelter and warmth.
    The moment you leave your home in a survival situation, you now have 3 hours to come up with warmth and shelter… and before anyone starts going on about tents… how is a tent any more defensible than a hardened shelter such as a brick and mortar home?
    How many of you really live that far out in the wilderness where you won’t be fairly easily discovered within a matter of hours?
    You also now have a day or so to find water before you become too dehydrated to be able to continue looking for it? Sure we can LIVE 3 days without water but that doesn’t mean we can FUNCTION for 3 days without it. Come to think of it, once your core body temperature starts to cool down (and trust me when I tell you that it does not have to be a cold day to develop hypothermia) how long do you think you can function well enough to build a makeshift shelter sufficient enough to protect you from losing more body heat?

    Additionally, your home is familiar to you yet unfamiliar to those who may choose to try to invade – you have the home team advantage… not so when you’re out in the world outside of your home.

    When you bug out, you cannot take all of your gear with you so you have to start to decide what to take and what to leave… if you aren’t thinking straight, you may not make the right choices.
    As for those talking of taking their weapons and waiting it out… while you may well be able to hunt and be able to hit the target on the range but do you think you could actually effectively fight against another armed adversary? Shooting a target is one thing… fighting in a gunfight is something else entirely… and it doesn’t go down as depicted on TV!

    Then there’s the possibility that once you’ve bugged out, you may well have to return to your home because there is nowhere safer for you to go… let’s just say hat after abandoning your home, someone else with more with than you decided to move in… now instead of having the home team advantage and merely having to defend your home… you now have to carry out armed assault to take it back… not as easy as it sounds!!

    So my take on the whole digging in or bugging out issue is this… know what the threat is and have a plan… if the threat dictates that you bug out because staying behind is not an option… then bug out but have a plan and a back-up plan (no plan ever survives the first contact intact – Murphy’s laws of armed conflict)… but if the threat does NOT dictate that you MUST vacate your home then digging in is certainly a more common sense approach…
    As with anything in life, circumstances dictate the required plan of action to prevail.

    • Great points Mig! Thanks for contributing to the conversation.

  • If this is your advice in a situation where society collapses, then here’s my response:

    Where your stuff is… – Use a big truck and trailer like you said. You didn’t nullify that possibility. If you can’t drive, use bicycles or horses and wagons. If on foot, use garden carts.

    Kitchen floor more comfortable.. – If you do bug out with a truck, you should be able to bring thin mattresses, sleeping bags, and tents. That’s better than the kitchen floor.

    Built in Community… – Communities will band together…to share of your food, then you starve alongside with them. More likely, you’ll have to watch your neighbors starve to death, while you try to hide from them. Fun huh? A possible exception is if your neighbors are farmers and its harvest time or they are ranchers or dairy farmers, you could come together to process food and survive on that for awhile.

    Cold…- Not a big deal to sunbelt people. For others, sleeping bags and emergency blankets are fine. Wet and cold? Use a fire puck to start fires. In time, you’ll have a good shelter and dry wood processed.

    Worse situation… – If people bug out without a destination, that is stupid. Most won’t. National Forest? Yep. Less than 25% of the population will head for parks. The other 75% will search desperately in cities, suburbs, and countrysides. They will visit every house–EVERY HOUSE. Every house should expect to be visited by tens, hundreds, or even thousands of refugees. Is it going to be fun having your doorbell rung 100 times in a 1 month period? Will the 25% who head for the parks find you? Maybe, but it’s more random and a much less chance, especially if you know where to locate yourself. (ie not those campgrounds that people are familiar with. Far away from roads and trails, near a perennial stream.)

    Easier target on the road… – Bug out early. Within 5 days you should be at your location, before the roads are violent.

    Nobody knows you… – Not an issue. Nobody lives in parks.

    Gear is heavy… – trucks, trailers, horses, bicycles, wagons, garden carts.

    AAA/ vehicle breakdown… – It’s not likely, but if it does happen, manually shuttle your most important survival supplies to a hidden place away from the road, then shuttle those supplies to your bug out location if it’s close enough, or try to secure another ride, by bargaining with other refugees, or attempt to find bicycles/wagons nearby. Hidden caches en route and alternate bug out locations help too.

    Get hurt/secure shelter… – It’s a weak point. You should have a shelter of some sort and first aid supplies when you bug out, too.

    Here’s my 13 reasons why you don’t want to bug in in a total collapse:
    1. Starving neighbors
    2. Small time thieves
    3. Gangs that will systematically sweep neighborhoods
    4. City fires (no fire department or water to put them out)
    5. Water stops running (got enough for drinking, bathing, and your garden?)
    6. Food forever? Can you garden without refugees seeing and stealing?
    7. Got enough fuel to cook forever? what about fuel for fires for warmth?
    8. Sewers will stop running. got an outhouse ready?
    9. Are you prepared to be as quiet as possible so as not to attract starving refugees?
    10. As you cook your food, the smoke will attract starving refugees.
    11. If you use any lights at night, they will attract starving refugees.
    12. Things may get very stinky if not enough water, not a good disposal of waste, rotting garbage, and rotting corpses.
    13. All the above issues will result in major psychological problems, because you’re stuck in your own house with far too many dangers outside. You’ll go crazy or paranoid.

    • Casey,

      Thanks for your comments, but it looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree. You make a lot of assumptions in your comments too. Which of us will be right? Who knows? There is no universal rule but I would disagree with many of your assertions too. Are you talking from the standpoint of a major city only?

      1. Starving neighbors? – So the woods will be completely empty and nobody will be there, only in the cities?
      2. Starving neighbors – Same as above. Starving people will be in the woods too. Probably more so because they won’t know how to get food in the wild or there will not be any food to acquire.
      3. Gangs – Again, there will be bands of people living in the woods that you think will be completely empty.
      4. Fires – Never heard of wildfires? There is a lot more to burn in the forest than downtown.
      5. Water doesn’t flow from the tap in the wilderness. You will still have to find it and filter it. Much easier to drink off my stores at home, catch more off the roof or go across to the pond to fill up my buckets.
      6. Can you garden in the forest?
      7. Fuel – Sure, there are trees in the suburbs that will last me plenty long enough.
      8. You will have to crap no matter where you live. Are you going to build an outhouse in the woods?
      9. It is much easier to hear someone in the woods than it is in the city and again, you won’t be all alone out there.
      10. Cooking smells go everywhere. The woods don’t mask these smells any better than the city would.
      11. Same in the woods. Light travels.
      12. Same no matter where you are.
      13. Granted, you will probably have the same mental health issues regardless if you are living in a SHTF world.

  • If society will collapse –> bug out
    If society will not collapse –> bug in

    This is my general rule of thumb, in addition to the obvious need to bug out for certain regional events/disasters.

  • Rick Sander

    I respect your reasoning on this issue and agree with a lot of your points – but feel like getting out of populated cities is best long term – here is my general plan based on what I am worried about. My assumption is that the most likely events will have a day of warning / confusion. I have a bunch of emergency stuff in my car, including lethal and nonlethal means of defense. If I can, Ill get home, do a quick reorganizing, put some additional stuff in the car, weapons, food, supplies, gas. If I think I can get out on the freeways or access roads without getting blocked by police or military, Ill make a run for it on the freeways – someplace inland and temperate where water and game and generally difficult living would make it less likely to get swamped with people. I want to get away from people until things settle down. I feel like you make a lot of great points, but increasingly, in the city, you’re at the mercy of martial law police/military or criminals over time.

    • Thank you very much for the comments Rick!

      I agree that cities can be traps especially the larger ones. They also prove to be very difficult to control by the authorities. Even if you weren’t penned in by the military you could fall victim to mob violence, looting and crime.

      I come from the perspective of the suburbs and I need to keep clarifying what I mean or framing my arguments differently perhaps. I know that my situation isn’t anywhere near the same as someone living in New York for instance.

      That being said, I do think there are still some home-field advantages. You know the problems around your home, you don’t know the problems in that inland temperate place you mention where people might not take kindly to you out there. Nothing is perfect really but all we can do is what seems right at the time and react as things change.

      Pat

  • Macssurvivalkits

    I just read this article for the first time and agree with most of your points. The safety and security of one’s home is something you cannot get anywhere else. Having preps such as food, water, ammo, and others will extend your survival by weeks or months. That being said, as many others pointed out, each situation is unique. There are hundreds of scenarios that can happen. Survival, in each of them, begins with the decisions to bug in or break camp. Being in a semi rural area, many miles from a metropolitan area, my first choice is to fortify and bug in, with the caveat that I am ready to bug out in a moments notice if my position becomes too risky/unstable. This is all part of my planning and scenario driven exercises. I try to make the best, most logical choice for each scenario I think is LIKELY in my area. I hope that everyone else does the same and does not A.) immediately run off to the woods with only a backpack at the first sign of trouble, or B.) sit in their home until the faceless masses are beating down the door. Wargame your situation and develop options based on a legitimate threat assessment and your individual means. Thanks and take care.

    • Thanks for your comments and for reading!

  • Jennifer

    How convenient he never did get around to answering the honest question about what was his battalion, when did he go in, class number, nothin’. How many combat jumps?
    He was falling over himself to let everyone know he is a Ranger and received the S.Star.

    Know why? Because names of Vietnam era Silver Star winners are publicly available. Awkward to pick a name and it turns out that person died in 2003, I guess.
    My experience is that it takes a lot more than casual internet chatting to get vets to tell you they were decorated, IF you ever find out at all. I don’t know WHAT I’d have to say to get one of the ones I know to tell me all about the time they got taken hostage, battled their way to freedom and lost 70 pounds laying in a forest coma before crawling to Uganda.
    The ones wearing war stories on their sleeve are the ones who don’t have any real ones.

    You can safely throw the BS flag on that dude.

    And that is not to say that he might not be making a valid point here or there about bugging out versus in, it is only to say a) do not delude yourself that his opinion is born of actual, hard-won experience in military combat/survival and b) I don’t care if the Supreme Court said stealing valor was legal. It’s morally a toolbag thing to do.
    And yes, if he can prove to my satisfaction that he is a battalioned Ranger who saw combat and received a Silver Star, as in he can supply the information needed to view his DD-214, I’ll take out an ad in his hometown paper apologizing.
    People died in the uniform others are only pretending to. Who do you want in your bug in/out group? Someone you already have good reason to distrust…? Pass.