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Do You Shoot: What if Your Imaginary Bad Guy isn’t Who Shows Up?

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I have heard it stated somewhere “intent plus capability equals threat”. I believe it is an old formula used by people smarter than me when they are planning how to distribute defensive resources. I actually heard that phrase again recently while listening to the radio and it caused me to consider this formula as a basis for planning your response to different potential threats.

As a prepper, I believe it is vital to have a plan for security.  The world can be an ugly place in times of crisis and depending on the situation, once reasonable, kind and rational people can become killers. Even if they don’t become killers, you could face a threat from incredibly desperate people who while not wanting to hurt you would do anything to protect or provide for their own loved ones. It is times like this that you could have to depend on a firearm to save your life.

On the Prepper Journal I advocate that everyone become prepared to handle the disruptions in life that we see every day on the news. There are earthquakes that disrupt entire communities, hurricanes that destroy the homes of thousands, tsunamis that impact entire regions, nuclear meltdowns that threaten everyone, virus outbreaks that are flown around the globe, chemical spills that poison the water and on and on. These are normal events that happen in our lives. These aren’t crazy conspiracy theories, they are real and my mission has been to wake people up to the potential for events like this coming to your town. Because if you take some simple steps now you can begin to prepare for these “disruptions” in your life. With planning you can become more self-reliant in the face of disaster.

There are some threats though that can’t be avoided by having a good food storage plan. There are some troubles you could face that aren’t washed away with gallons of stored water. Sometimes, you can’t plan for all contingencies or you may be faced with something you haven’t considered before. I believe that there are levels that we need to prepare for and obviously how affected we are by the disasters makes all the difference in the world. It doesn’t matter initially if your town experienced an earthquake if your home, neighborhood and family are fine. If the stores down the street are still working as normal, your preps aren’t going to be needed as much as in other situations. Like I said last week, everything depends on the disaster.

But as I frequently do, lets take a hypothetical disaster for the purposes of discussion. We have used the threat of EMP too much lately so I will use something like an Ebola pandemic. The scenario is an Ebola pandemic has ravaged the country and decimated 50% of the population. Everyone has been ordered into their homes for over two months now and you are still holding out. Your supplies have dwindled but your family is healthy and you can last a few more months. The power is intermittent due to personnel shortages, many have died, so you do face some days without power. The water is still on, but rumors are spreading that it isn’t safe to drink.

OK, so that is our hypothetical and during an event like that I could easily see many situations where your security could be threatened. I say all of this as an introduction to a question a reader sent me a couple of weeks back.

A reader of the Prepper Journal; Jeremy sent me the following:

In reading the book Facing Violence: Preparing for the Unexpected (One I would recommend HIGHLY as a preparation for the realities of everyday life, let alone for what people very well could and would be like following a major disaster/period of civil decay) the author is speaking about determining our capacity for dealing with violence and, in turn, inflicting violence on others to protect ourselves/the ones we love. He speaks of determining, ahead of time, your capability vs. your capacity. The example he uses is that of a person coming at you with a butcher’s knife. They have the intent, means and opportunity to kill you. You have nowhere to retreat, but are armed. This is a shoot/no shoot scenario. The question is do you shoot? Are you OK with shooting the person and killing them?

I have not read this book but the question he posed was interesting. Judging by the question so far, it seems pretty simple doesn’t it? It may not be that cut and dry for everyone, but I would like to think I would be able to pull the trigger to defend my life or the lives of people I love. The person coming at me would be a threat because they would be walking towards me (intent) and they would be holding a butcher knife (capacity) regardless of the specifics of castle doctrine or duty to retreat (he says you have nowhere to retreat) I would feel justified in shooting the person who I viewed in this example as a threat to my life.

But I am no lawyer. I have also never shot and killed anyone so take what I say I would do with a grain of salt.

Then he says the following –

“Now change an element. The Threat is twelve years old. Do you still shoot? Kill? Are you okay with that? If the Threat were six years old? Four? A woman? A pregnant woman? A mentally disabled person who can’t realize what they are doing? Your own spouse? Your own child? What if the Threat’s toddler children are watching? What if cameras are rolling? The threat is the same—even a four-year-old with a big knife can kill and there are no degrees of dead. Do you feel the same about all of those scenarios? I don’t. Even knowing full well how dangerous a knife is and how many people die from overconfidence I would have a hard time shooting a child. I might feel differently about the other scenarios but would act the same—I would just feel worse about it later. Think about this. Explore it. Listen to your gut feelings before you try to logic it out. When you do try to logic it out, pay special attention to when you are rationalizing—when your logic is serving not to make the best decision but to justify the decision that your gut wants.”

 Miller, Rory (2011-04-01). Facing Violence: Preparing for the Unexpected (Kindle Locations 339-352). YMAA Publication Center. Kindle Edition.

Now, that is an interesting turn of events or elements as the writer states. Have you thought about what you would do? Would you be willing to shoot someone? If the answer is yes to that question I think the writer’s larger point may be that you probably have a vision of who this hypothetical bad guy is. I know I did. In my mind the threat was a menacing looking man in my home and my children and wife were behind me. I can see the knife in his hand right now and can feel my firearm in mine. I don’t have much hesitation when the question becomes do you shoot. In my mind that is.

But, the author does give us a challenge and the first is to change the element to a child. Being the father of children I have to give this one a little extra consideration. Then he says “what if the child is four”. I know I could disarm a four-year old. I could disarm a 6 or 12-year-old while we are at it so I don’t think I would view a child, under some reasonable age as a threat if they were holding a big knife. Is there a chance I would be cut, most likely if I didn’t do something right, but I still wouldn’t shoot someone who I feel I could overpower. In this case I discount that one aspect of the hypothetical, but the overall message is still one that is compelling to consider.

What if the bad guy isn’t your imaginary bad guy?

What if this person were your neighbor who was retired and had always been the best neighbor in the world to you? What if this was his wife? What if it was another neighbor’s child? In this case, not 4 or 6 but 18? Would you shoot him or her? What if it was a pregnant woman? What if it was someone you worked with who knew about your preps because you didn’t practice good OPSEC and had come to your home because her husband was sick and starving to death? What if she was holding a gun and her daughter was right beside her? Would you shoot first or let her shoot you?

I know most of the arguments for charity and setting aside food to give away and all of the rational approaches to dealing with family members before SHTF. I don’t have the answers to all my hypothetical scenarios, but I do think the exercise of thinking about this ahead of time is valid. It may be that none of us can even think about what we would do in a situation like that. Honestly I don’t know what I would do and I can’t even tell you how I would deal with that scenario. Maybe I would freeze?

We deal with topics of security all the time and there are simple baselines I believe in like having the ability, the training and the resolve to defend your home. Admittedly this defense is always from my imaginary bad guy, but reality always gets a vote. Thinking about these unthinkable scenarios could give you some ideas with respect to how you are prepping. If nothing else, it might change how you view security and what you are willing to do.

Have you thought about this before? Would you be willing to shoot?

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  • truth

    A threat is a threat … shame on ’em.

  • Novice

    I know there are those who will disagree but, I think there is a time and place for “shoot to wound”. A four year old child may be one such example (although I have to ask why you couldn’t just as easily overpower him and take the knife away).

    • I guess in the right situation I would agree with you. It would have to be a complete collapse though where you wouldn’t have to worry about getting sued, but I can see a leg shot to stop the situation like of the neighbor. They wouldn’t die if you hit them right, but you could diffuse the situation. On the other hand, if they were desperate enough once…

  • Arizona

    I heard a story a while back I couldn’t believe,SO we piled in the truck and went to see,TWO hours later we arrived at the cimmeron boy scout training center at CIMMERON ,NEW MEXICO,and sure enough ALL THE ROOMERS were true,DHS was there traing the boy and girl scouts to go door to door and attemp to take weapons from the veterans and old people,I HAD A 12 yeas old STICK A MP-5 MACHINE GUN IN MY FACE AND THREATEN TO blow my head off,AND IT WAS loaded too,THEY WERE PRACTICING KICKING IN DOORS AND SHOOTING ALL THE DUMMIES IN THE HOUSE,if YOU THINK THIS IS A JOKE,GO THERE YOUR SELF AND SEE,i LEFT MAD AS HELL……………………….

  • usmarinestanker

    Nice thought provoking article, Pat.

    I agree with the disarming of the children, but be careful…..that 12 year old could still stick you in the gut because you are overconfident. Maybe he just watched his mom die of starvation or disease, or his baby sister and he’s on the warpath to get some food to prevent anyone else from dying in his little hormone-filled life. He might not kill you immediately, but he could put you in a world of hurt, especially if there’s no medical help. Who will then take care of your family if you’re wounded or dead?

    As someone who’s taken lives (not bragging, just putting it out there for credentials) this can be a very sobering topic. It’s not fun. It’s abnormal, I think to take a human life. Sometimes its needed to preserve your own and fully justified, but its just not what we’re supposed to do in a perfect world.

    When it comes down to it, anyone threatening to steal critical supplies from you and yours is harming your life. Maybe you have supplies for many months and they’re only taking a day or two’s worth, but who’s to know how long the emergency will last? Maybe they’re not harming you today, but they are harming you. And now they know where you are, what your supplies are, and that you’re a soft target. Maybe this person was a lucky scout and the main group will return with a vengeance.

    Letting someone go puts you at further risk. It’s like the movie scenario where the Special Forces guys deep behind enemy lines come across a child shepherd. Do they kill the child to prevent losing secrecy if he talks, or do they let him go because he’s a child and risk that he will reveal them? It’s a horrible scenario to be in, but it is entirely something that should be thought about ahead of time. Planning, even in a simple way, enables you to react more quickly and justify your actions when it comes time to dealing with the psychological effects.

    I would feel bad about killing someone I know, even a small amount for killing a stranger (everyone has some good in them), but I would kill them in a heart beat if they were a threat to my family – man, woman, or child, young or old. We have the right to life, and the obligation to defend it.

    • Oh, I know you are right about crazy little kids lashing out and hitting you when you didn’t expect it. I have enough experience with my own under my belt to know that they can get an unexpected shot in when they are trying. Everything would come down to the situation I guess. If I saw the little kid was crazy, it might come to that, but shooting probably wouldn’t be my first reaction. Hard to say unless I was in the moment.

      I also agree wholeheartedly with you about the importance of protecting what is yours for the same reasons you mention plus a whole bunch of others that to some may sound selfish. So be it. My job is to protect my family and everything else is second to that job.

      Thank you again for your comments, your perspective and your service.

      Pat

  • Capt. William E. Simpson

    Hi Pat: From my chair, you can’t go wrong in any situation when you go with the ‘legal’ explanation and rule for engagement for using deadly force; ‘a sufficiency of fear of suffering serious bodily harm or death’ … under normal circumstances, this would be the criteria that a ‘reasonable person’ would use in determining if the gun comes out. And if the gun comes out, you shoot until the threat is stopped. This is the standard operational rule for engagement when considering the use of deadly force (in many jurisdictions). In any case where that ‘threshold’ is not met, then the use of ‘less than deadly’ force would be advised in the hypothetical situation, such as mace… this would then place you in a position to make a further determination as to ‘who’ you’re dealing with, and what if any motive may be involved, and next steps required, if any.

    Cheers! Capt. Bill

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  • don

    i like the neighbors wife and daughter example; hopefully you can actually witness it like that before you’re in danger! it’s nice to think one will be able to assess such an environment, but even identifying them as your neighbors is a high degree of accuracy in such an intense moment. if i even have the chance to recongnize A FIREARM let a lone my neighbors i’m unloading until my ears pop.

  • Rayan Alam

    If their child is watching them I wouldn’t fire just knock em out with the gun butt instead

  • Nerthania Idis

    Two years ago, I was attacked by my sister-in-law. I froze. I always thought that I would be able to handle myself in a fight, that I was aware. Not so.

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